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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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I don't understand how you can reject philosophy based on words/scripture, while advocating a philosophy based on what Jesus said ("as the story goes"). Everything you believe about what Jesus said is based on words and scripture.
A text that is well-written cannot be made to say anything. |
Because what Jesus SAID and what Jesus said are two different things altogether. Do you really think we have recevied the text just as it was first written, and that Jesus' words were recorded the moment he spoke them?
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I think Jesus is a fictional character from a story. I am puzzled by what I see as contradictory views about the Bible. On the one hand, I am told that it can mean whatever anybody wants it to mean; it is a Rorschach ink blot. On the other hand, I read very strong views on what exactly its message is, what Jesus said, and what he did. And, apparently, these opinions are not based on the Bible, or they are based on the Bible, but the opposite opinion is equally valid (because it's an ink blot), or....what? I am lost in my search for what is being said here. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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If you don't believe in the resurrection, curing the sick and blind, water into wine, walking on water....well what is Jesus? When you don't believe these miracles then Jesus becomes a non entity. If you believe he existed but was just a man, well there were many men like him, doesn't make him special.
Check 'The God Who Wasn't There'
Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4
Flawed in areas but makes some good points. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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BTW, I'm still waiting for you, or anyone else, to prove the "facts" of Muslim violence. |
Are you serious? Do you choose not to see because you don't want to see or are you blinded by a false peace pervasive in a secular society?
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It takes four forms. First. there are direct, violent attacks by extremists on Christian communities. These occur in Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, Bangladesh, the Phillipines, Nigeria, Indonesia (the list is not exhaustive). In most of these cases the Government is either unable or unwilling to stop the attacks.
Second, there is civil war and communal violence where the Christian community has resisted the spread of radical varieties of Islam. Since the National Islamic Front (formerly the Muslim Brotherhood) took power in Sudan in the late 1980's two million people have been killed, mostly Christians and animists. In Nigeria some 11,000 people have been killed in the last three years over the introduction of Islamic sharia law. There is a similar death toll in eastern Indonesia, where paramilitary militant organizations such as Laskar Jihad, allied to international terrorists, have slaughtered local populations.
Third, there is widespread discrimination against Christians in Muslim countries. They are frequently at a disadvantage in marriage, custody and inheritance cases, are forced to subsidize Islam through taxes, are severly restricted in building and repairing churches, and are often excluded from government positions. This happens in most Muslim countries. In some cases, as in Pakistan or Iran or Nigeria, the testimony of a Christian counts less in a court case.
Fourthly, blasphemy and apostasy laws disproportionately target minorities.
In Saudi Arabia, Christianity is entirely forbidden.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=10242 |
Here are a few of the cases of persecution that happen daily against the Christians. Many done by Muslims.
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php
As many as 250 million Christians worldwide will face persecution and repression in 2007, just for following Jesus Christ, according to the latest roundup of the world�s persecution hot spots by Release International.
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1462332.html |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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BTW, I'm still waiting for you, or anyone else, to prove the "facts" of Muslim violence. |
Are you serious? Do you choose not to see because you don't want to see or are you blinded by a false peace pervasive in a secular society? |
You've ignored the context of my comment. It isn't a matter of Muslim violence that needs to be proven. But rather the instance by the anti-Islam crowd that Muslims are inherently more violent than non-Muslims, and that a large percentage of Muslims are out to kill all the infidels, aka non-Muslims. As terrible as the things you posted are, they don't address these two issues.
Secondly, you've failed to address the issue of North America, and the impending violent conflict you believe is coming. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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Sorry, but I can't take too much time on these boards.
You just have to look at the nature of the Koran. The nature of the Koran incites violence. It did 1400 years ago and it does today.
However, you are right, violence is found in all cultures and demographics. I am not singling out Islam as the worst ideology out there, especially when we see Nazism, Secularism and Communism on the forefront of destruction and death. No, I attribute violence to sin and when man makes it his purpose to live in the absence of God, then we are destined to be in the presence of Evil. |
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