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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:18 am Post subject: We are not violent. Die! |
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First Cartoons, the Pope and now individuals. The capitulation is causing more problems. Tolerance is inviting violence.
We are starting to see, very clearly, what a muslim-Europe will look like (much like muslim nations everywhere...).
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Writer of 'anti-Islam' article gets death threats
SAINT-ORENS-DE-GAMEVILLE, France, Sept 28, 2006 (AFP) � A French philosophy teacher was under police protection Thursday after receiving death threats over an article he wrote in a national newspaper that accused Islam of "exalting violence", school and police officials said.
Robert Redeker has not attended classes at his secondary school near Toulouse in southern France since September 19, when his opinion column appeared in the right-wing daily Le Figaro.
"He received written death threats in the form of emails. On the face of it they were pretty serious," said the lyc�e's headmaster Pierre Donnadieu.
Police confirmed the threat but refused to comment on the protection Redeker is receiving.
Under the heading "In the face of Islamist intimidation, what must the free world do?", Redeker described the Koran as a "book of extraordinary violence" and Islam as "a religion which ... exalts violence and hate".
Likening Islam to Communism, he said that "violence and intimidation are the methods used by an expansionist ideology ... to impose its leaden cloak on the world".
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It seems like they are saying that if they do not agree with what you have to say they will threaten to kill you for saying it. And Europeans have little problem with this.
Just to unilaterally preempt the nonsense;
DD will say: I have traveled all over the world and am making the world a better place. Grab life by the horns. How dare you take them at their word. Racist! As the great 14th century pin-pong player Xie Shen Taor said "of life and death towards my mouse pad my gut grows". I travel lots. Look at me! I have a black man for an avatar! That means I'm wise like a that dude from Green Mile! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Do you know what your trouble is? You read Chicken Little and failed to understand it. Now that you're older, you should give it a second and closer reading. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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So, then your opinion is that muslim radicalism poses no threat to Europe?
BTW, I don't think the sky is falling at all. I think Europe will be lost and the world will learn from it and keep humming along. I'm very sure that China will keep the Muslim expansion in check, even if we do not. But I would be dishonest if I said that the slow colonization of Europe doesn't bother me, if even a slight bit. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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An update.
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PARIS: French philosophy teacher Robert Redeker said on Saturday he would stop teaching in schools in the wake of death threats made against him last year by Muslim extremists after he published an attack on Islam.
Redeker told France Info radio station that he would instead take up a job in France's CNRS national science research institute.
Redeker, 52, received several death threats by e-mail after publishing a virulent attack on Islam in a column for Le Figaro newspaper last September.
In the article, the high-school teacher called the Koran a book of "incredible violence", described Prophet Mohammad as a "merciless warlord, a looter, a butcher of Jews and a polygamist" and said Islam "exalts violence and hate."
The ensuing threats forced Redeker, who had taught in the southern French city of Toulouse, to live in hiding with armed police protection.
Earlier this month, a source close to a police investigation into the affair said a man had been arrested in Morocco on suspicion of inciting others to kill Redeker. In October, a young Muslim was arrested in Orleans, southwest of Paris, on suspicion of e-mailing death threats to the teacher.
Redeker said he had met French Education Minister Gilles de Robien to discuss the job at the CNRS institute and that he had no regrets over the article.
"I do not think you can regret something which was written with complete honesty and sincerity," he told France Info.
France's top politicians and the head of the French Muslim Council have all denounced the death threats. French intellectuals were initially wary of the fact that Redeker's article echoed far-right statements, but have since rallied to his cause in defence of the freedom of speech.
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http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1075451 |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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BJWD, radicalism of all stripes are bad for the world and that includes the radicalism of the born again Christians, Muslim Wahhabi elements, and right wing Jews, and I don't know if you noticed but they kind of promote each other and provide each other with a raison d'etre. Islamic extremists helped fuel Jewish extremists and vice versa. Born again Christians looking for the Arma Geddon (The hill of Geddon) apocalypse and ignoring the peaceful message of the Mashiho or Messiah blindly support certain elements that add fuel to the fire.
On the subject of fanatics in Europe, they must be confronted. Those who make threats no matter what the motive should have a jail awaiting them, without a doubt. Such thinking is not welcome in Europe and Europeans don't want that and also I may add many North Africans also don't want that, too.
BJWD, I think you work from the assumption of there not being moderate Muslims and interpretations of Islam and throwing out the baby with the bath water. If I am wrong, let me know. I just don't think that way is politically productive or feasible even if you forget about humanism. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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All the same.
I was just posting an update, adventurer. No need to worry about me. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| that includes the radicalism of the born again Christians. |
" if you disagree with us we'll turn the other cheek and provide you with education, hospitals and food aid, and pray for you now and again"?
Yes, christianity is a really violent threat to the world.
Get a grip!!!!!   |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| that includes the radicalism of the born again Christians. |
" if you disagree with us we'll turn the other cheek and provide you with education, hospitals and food aid, and pray for you now and again"?
Yes, christianity is a really violent threat to the world.
Get a grip!!!!! |
Yeah, it's not their fault that god hates fags. And it was his hand that threw the fire bombs into the abortion clinics, so just step off a playa. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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" If you disagree with us God will tell us to invade your country, turn the other cheek and provide you with poor sex education, hospitals that don't provide birth control and food aid for favours, and not think for you now and again"?
Yes, Christianity(big C) is a really violent threat to the world.
Get a brain!!!!! Rolling Eyes Laughing |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| threw the fire bombs into the abortion clinics, so just step off a playa. |
Wow. 1 lunatic claiming to be christian killed 1 person once, so all the millions of christians worldwide who mostly do charity work, are violent aggressors.?
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| If you disagree with us God will tell us to invade your country |
You think america is a christian country? How can a nation that kills millions of unborn children every year be christian?
let me guess... the methodist church orphanage near my house is akin to an Al-quaeda terror cell. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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One nation under God
'I can kill because in God I trust'
(A,C,M) |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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So, then your opinion is that muslim radicalism poses no threat to Europe?
BTW, I don't think the sky is falling at all. I think Europe will be lost and the world will learn from it and keep humming along. I'm very sure that China will keep the Muslim expansion in check, even if we do not. But I would be dishonest if I said that the slow colonization of Europe doesn't bother me, if even a slight bit. |
Europe will rise up to this threat by going nuclear. France has already threatened that it has the right to pre-emp nuclear attack. Germany will probably go nuclear in response to Iran and N.Korea.
Europe will become the powerhouse of the world because of the situation in the middle east. The secular side of Europe will not fall under this ideology. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Writer of 'anti-Islam' article gets death threats
SAINT-ORENS-DE-GAMEVILLE, France, Sept 28, 2006 (AFP) � A French philosophy teacher was under police protection Thursday after receiving death threats over an article he wrote in a national newspaper that accused Islam of "exalting violence", school and police officials said.
Robert Redeker has not attended classes at his secondary school near Toulouse in southern France since September 19, when his opinion column appeared in the right-wing daily Le Figaro.
"He received written death threats in the form of emails. On the face of it they were pretty serious," said the lyc�e's headmaster Pierre Donnadieu.
Police confirmed the threat but refused to comment on the protection Redeker is receiving.
Under the heading "In the face of Islamist intimidation, what must the free world do?", Redeker described the Koran as a "book of extraordinary violence" and Islam as "a religion which ... exalts violence and hate".
Likening Islam to Communism, he said that "violence and intimidation are the methods used by an expansionist ideology ... to impose its leaden cloak on the world".
Copyright AFP
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I love these ironic moments. Someone writes about how Islam and Muslims are violent and dangerous and they reply with death threats.
If Islamophobia is characterized by fear of Muslims then I would say most Europeans suffer from it, and quite understandingly. No, it's not portraying "exagerated" images of Muslims that is Islamophobic, but the fact of KNOWING that if you speak out against them in any way, you are sacrificing your head to be served up with a plate of cous cous. That's IslamoPHOBIA. And I agree BB, it's quite alive and well.
I wonder why! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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| that includes the radicalism of the born again Christians. |
" if you disagree with us we'll turn the other cheek and provide you with education, hospitals and food aid, and pray for you now and again"?
Yes, christianity is a really violent threat to the world.
Get a grip!!!!! |
Give me a break. I've lived in the deep South where people are very conservative and many of them talked about bombing certain places to glass. Many of the neo-conservatives who pushed for the War in Iraq were born again Christians who want Armageddon. You are confusing those Christians with Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Catholics. Christians also have their Wahhabis, so to speak. Maybe you lived where they didn't exist. I saw them too many times. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I agree that the death threats are disgusting, but I'm not sure about the Islamification of Europe thesis. In any case, BJWD, you may find this article interesting:
You are now entering Eurabia by Matt Carr (from the journal Race & Class) |
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