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Boodleheimer
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[quote="Junior"]
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| you mean "ascension"? that's an s. |
No. The island that is owned by Britain. Ascencion.
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| species isn't a plural for specy |
I meant that " specify" is of the same word stock. If you specify, name a newly discovered plant, it becomes recognised as a species. Different forms of the the same verb: specification, specified. Don't tell me: you pronounce it " speshification?"?? or is that just after you had some shoju? |
and Ascencion is from what language originally?
so you pronounce all words from the same word stock the same. so how do "ratio" or "ration" and "rational" fit into that rule? |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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thebum: maybe you should have made it a poll to avoid our bickering. 
i say it with a "sh". my cambridge dictionary says that's fine. i've heard it with a "s", and i don't see anything wrong with that, it just sounds a little funny to me. and good luck finding a real rule to govern it. |
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Zyzyfer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| For the record, I pronounce it like speeches. |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on how drunk I am.
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| I say both, I never know which one one is going to come out. |
Same as my answer, but without the booze. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="KWhitehead"]
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| and Ascencion is from what language originally? |
All english words are from what languages originally? in any case there are other examples. eg "Suspicion " "spacious" precious" etc.
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| so you pronounce all words from the same word stock the same. so how do "ratio" or "ration" and "rational" fit into that rule? |
All pronounced with a "sh" sound of course.
And? |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Junior"]
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| and Ascencion is from what language originally? |
All english words are from what languages originally? in any case there are other examples. eg "Suspicion " "spacious" precious" etc.
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| so you pronounce all words from the same word stock the same. so how do "ratio" or "ration" and "rational" fit into that rule? |
All pronounced with a "sh" sound of course.
And? |
and the "a" in them? or does that rule not count for vowels?
ascencion is spanish. it's difficult for anglophones to pronounce correctly, so it's been b*stardised into a "sh" |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| I meant that " specify" is of the same word stock. If you specify, name a newly discovered plant, it becomes recognised as a species. Different forms of the the same verb: specification, specified. Don't tell me: you pronounce it " speshification?"?? or is that just after you had some shoju? |
...you know that science and conscience are both from scio, scire, right? is it shience or consence for you? |
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Junior
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="KWhitehead"]
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| and the "a" in them? or does that rule not count for vowels? |
No. were were specifically talking about the word 'species" and its related forms, and the "cie" pronunciation. Do you pronounc "intricacies" as 'intricashees"? no.
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| ascencion is spanish. |
Wow, we have a sherlock here. yes: but now its english.
Look at all these lovely English words:
trek-afrikaans
blitz -german
piano-italian
algae-latin
chrysalis-greek
santa claus-dutch
croissant-french
-etc etc. English has asimilated words from virtually every other language on earth, unchanged. They are now English words.
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| it's difficult for anglophones to pronounce correctly, so it's been b*stardised into a "sh" |
you agree then that pronouncing the c as "sh" is wrong then? Thanks for playing. |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: |
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and this, Junior?
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| ...you know that science and conscience are both from scio, scire, right? is it shience or consence for you? |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Junior"]
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| and the "a" in them? or does that rule not count for vowels? |
No. were were specifically talking about the word 'species" and its related forms, and the "cie" pronunciation. Do you pronounc "intricacies" as 'intricashees"? no. |
wait, so that quote about "same word stock" really means nothing? or it only applies to "species" and words related to it? |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| KWhitehead wrote: |
and this, Junior?
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| ...you know that science and conscience are both from scio, scire, right? is it shience or consence for you? |
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Ummm...do you need reading glases ? Those are " scie". There is some overlap but we were talking of "cie" specifically. Don't twist it now..
You've been caught out fair and square miss ever-so-cool Whitehead. Now learn, and move on and try to repair your injured pride.
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Zoidberg
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Sadly, I'm going to have to agree with junior (the horror). It's pretty unusual for "cie" preceeded immediately by a vowel (so yeah, "science" can't be counted), to be homophonous with "she". It's always (as far as I can find) the same as "see".
I'm not sure why "species" is an exception for many people... |
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Boodleheimer
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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and this, Junior?
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| ...you know that science and conscience are both from scio, scire, right? is it shience or consence for you? |
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Ummm...do you need reading glases ? Those are " scie". There is some overlap but we were talking of "cie" specifically. Don't twist it now..
You've been caught out fair and square miss ever-so-cool Whitehead. Now learn, and move on and try to repair your injured pride.
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cute. you were previously saying something about "word families" and how they should all be pronounced the same. i'm just wondering if you're still backing that... are you?
by the way, you'd better start that letter to Cambridge about how wrong their dictionary is. i'm sure somebody there needs something to line their kitty litter box.
edit: additionally, you have implied that pronunciation cannot change over time. if i recall correctly, it was something to the tune of 'we can't just add another pronunciation to the lexicon just because some people are saying the word differently.' do you say 'leisure' as it was first pronounced ('lehsure') or have you gotten on the 'leesure' boat?
oh, and i don't need "reading glases". i strongly suggest you buy an elementary book on linguistics. (insert rasperry here, as it seems to somehow fit the level of your last post, though i've been trying my darndest not to lower myself: pthbthptpthtphthb.) |
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