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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Calling all parents! Reply with quote

I'm starting this little thread to get a dialogue going on the peculiarities, challenges, and wonders of inter-racial (inter-national) child rearing. I'm starting to notice a few problems concerning some "how to's" and I'd love to hear stories from those who have gone through this or who are going through it now.

4 months until my little one comes. As we read and learn more, our differences of opinion are increasing. She wants the baby's room at 25 degrees, I want 21... she wants to bathe the baby 2 times a day, I want 1-2 times a week... She doesn't care too much about car seats, I won't budge on this one. Fortunately, we're both very easy going people so we're not actually having huge scraps, but I can see things getting a bit more tense as the due date approaches. How do you cope with these things. What bugs me is that when we disagree, she turns to her mom or our doctor and comes back with a "see, they agree with me". It's all very... fun.

What kind of things did you refuse to budge on. What were you willing to accept?
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car seat is needed in every country. I had an accident with my little one and he was in a car seat (thank God). Bus hit my car while I was parked ( Shocked ). Damage was not so serious (slow moving side swipe) but the little guy was okay in his seat. No seat and he may have been really hurt.
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear where you're coming from on this one, but in all honesty, most of it will iron itself out, or even change, with time. My wife have disagreed on little issues (mostly), but the important issues are the ones you have to worry about - in other words, pick your battles.

Car Seats
I think my wife conceded to me a little on this one. Although she agrees with the use of a car seat, she sees 'exceptions', whereas I do not. My wife's mother scoffed at me for imposing this car seat rule initially, but now she (reluctantly?) agrees with me (to my face). I find this issue important, and in my mind, it's a non-issue. My wife saw that and gave in to me a little.

Rewarding Bad Behaviour
My little girl is a year and a half old and she had a tantrum in the parking lot of Home Plus the other day, her first real public blow-up. She was screaming, throwing her head back violently in protest, you know the deal... My wife suggested we bring her to the children's playground for a while, to get it out of her system. I told her that was like rewarding bad behaviour; I suggested we be strict, put her in the car and go home. My wife was a little more insistant that we bring her to the playroom, so I relented. We went to the playroom where my daughter ran around with other children for 45 minutes, had a good time and promptly fell asleep in the car as we pulled out of the parking lot. I saw that my wife really held strongly to letting my daughter play, and so I gave in to her a little, since this one incident is not as important to me as the car seat issue, I guess.

As any counselor will tell you, it's all about communication and each person knowing the other so well that each knows when to give in.

About the baths, there were minor differences in our philosophies, but if you feel strongly enough about it, show your wife the literature about the pros of not bathing a baby too often.

For us the disagreement was about how hot the water should be. I've sposted about this before, but basically my MIL would bathe the baby in very/too hot, almost scalding water. I got home one day and my daughter's skin was red/pink and looked irritated. The MIL had given her what I consider to be a much-too-hot bath. My wife agreed with me but was reluctant to discuss it with my MIL for fear of creating bad feeling. In the end, my wife and I compromised that the MIL would never again be left to give the baby a bath alone. If my MIL wanted to bathe my daughter, my wife would be right there next to her to supervise the water temperature.

There have been a few raised voices along the way, as I think any healthy marriage has sometimes, but I think my wife and I know when to give in to each other.

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What bugs me is that when we disagree, she turns to her mom or our doctor and comes back with a "see, they agree with me". It's all very... fun.


That would actually make me a little angry. If this became a recurring thing with my wife, I would make it clear (not angrily, but calmly, and lovingly) and remind her that it's "team you-and-me" that are running the show, not "team them". I've had this conversation with my wife, and it's a good conversation to have.

Remember, you might even change your mind about how something should be done. Also, you both may have no idea what to think or do in certain situations. You'll figure it out together.

Good luck and congrats!
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Calling all parents! Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:

4 months until my little one comes. As we read and learn more, our differences of opinion are increasing. She wants the baby's room at 25 degrees, I want 21... she wants to bathe the baby 2 times a day, I want 1-2 times a week...


Bathe 1-2 times a week ????
No, have to be at least once a day.
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Hanson. Much appreciated.

Miss Seoul... we're talking about a newborn baby, before they can crawl. Newborns have extremely sensitive skin and too much water/soap can, but not always, be a problem. On a daily basis, all that needs done is a thorough washing of the private parts (with each diaper actually), a cotton ball cleaning of the face, and of course wiping off anything that is noticeably dirty.

Maybe the Korean system of keeping the baby boiling hot is why they are bathed so often. Must be pretty sweaty with the heat my wife suggests.
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cmr



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that taking a bath once or twice a week is not enough for a baby... or anybody else! Smile I'd prefer 2 to 3 times a week... but personaly, I do it more often!

As for the car seat, there was a new law in Korea in 2006 that made it illegal for children under 5 not to be in a car seat. However, they said that police officers would use their "judgement" in situations when a family has too many children since some mothers complained that if they had 2 or 3 kids in car seats there wouldn't be enough room left for anyone else.

Well, my wife (Korean) doesn't seem to care about the law so much (Do Koreans usually do?). So we are in a similiar situation to Hanson, and I just can't understand why they (Koreans) can't understand about this.

Also, just like Hanson, sometimes I'd like to be more strict about things, but my wife doesn't see things that way. That's not a big issue, though. Maybe it will be in the future, but not for now.
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MissSeoul



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:

Miss Seoul... we're talking about a newborn baby, before they can crawl. Newborns have extremely sensitive skin and too much water/soap can, but not always, be a problem. On a daily basis, all that needs done is a thorough washing of the private parts (with each diaper actually), a cotton ball cleaning of the face, and of course wiping off anything that is noticeably dirty.



Yes, I am talking about a newborn baby.
I have a young daughter and I remember I gave a bathe every day when she was a newborn baby and it was in America ( I think that was what my doctor recomended ).
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Calling all parents! Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
Newbie wrote:

4 months until my little one comes. As we read and learn more, our differences of opinion are increasing. She wants the baby's room at 25 degrees, I want 21... she wants to bathe the baby 2 times a day, I want 1-2 times a week...


Bathe 1-2 times a week ????
No, have to be at least once a day.


MissSeoul... are you a mother??

New born babies are NOT dirty. They do NOT need to be fully bathed once or twice per DAY. That's crazy. Letty was bathed every 4 days and she was perfectly clean and happy. It wasn't until she was about 3 months that I started bathing her once a day because I wanted to get her into a routine.

To OP: I can't help you with the temp part, cos both my husband (Korean) and I are hot blooded and prefer our place a little cool. We keep it at around 19/20.

As for a carseat - my husband, being educated in France, is pretty used to seeing it. So getting one (had a baby shower and a friend bought us one) wasn't an issue. Initially, though, Letty screamed bloody murder when she was in it because, of course, she wasn't used to it and wanted to be held but I insisted on her sitting in it. No problem after she got used to it!
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MissSeoul



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Calling all parents! Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:

MissSeoul... are you a mother??
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Yes, I am Laughing
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what hanson wrote. Some things are worth fighting for, others are comprimising, and others should be caved in to.

about the bathing infants and even toddlers don't really need a bath more than once every 2 or 3 days.
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
even toddlers don't really need a bath more than once every 2 or 3 days.


Hehe.. unless you are Letty and likes to put sticky, gooey hands on your hair!!!!

Hanson's story about children throwing a tantrum reminded me of a little incident we had at home the other night when we were about to have dinner.

Out of her toy box, Letty found an annoying mobile phone toy that my husband has bought a while back. Instead of having dinner, she decided she would play with it.

I let her play for a little bit and then it got very annoying and I took it from her, when she promptly decided that a tantrum was the best course of action. She was screaming, crying, hitting me, throwing herself on the floor etc... My husband wanted to cuddle her but I said no way, let her cry. She has to learn when to play and when to have dinner or do other stuff other than play.

After a few minutes, she went from screaming to crying to sobbing, when she realised that i was just ignoring her and continued having my dinner. When she was whimpering, I turned to her, looked at her sternly and asked her if she was going to have dinner nicely and not play. She came to me and hugged me, kissed me on my cheek and told me she loved me. No problem with dinner afterwards - she ate everything that was in her bowl: rice, soup, meat, vegetables, fish.. etc..

Children NEED discipline. If Letty throws a tantrum in a public place, I don't usually say let's just pack it all in and go home. I don't take her to a playroom either. I take her to a quiet corner to talk to her and ask her to calm down, which usually works.
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Scott in Incheon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We tend to agree on most things and I have a back up on the doctor thing as my mother was a labour and delivery nurse for 30 years. Whenever something came up medically, we would check it out with my Mom and doc...usually my mother's point of view is the one we accepted.


As for bathing...it is part of our bathtime ritual so we have been doing daily baths ever since we wanted them to sleep through the night. Bath, books, bed...that has been the routine since the girls were 1...

I think we were lucky to raise the kids in Hong Kong for the first few years. Not much interference from either side. We developed our own way of doing things.
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
SuperHero wrote:
even toddlers don't really need a bath more than once every 2 or 3 days.


Hehe.. unless you are Letty and likes to put sticky, gooey hands on your hair!!!!

Hanson's story about children throwing a tantrum reminded me of a little incident we had at home the other night when we were about to have dinner.

Out of her toy box, Letty found an annoying mobile phone toy that my husband has bought a while back. Instead of having dinner, she decided she would play with it.

I let her play for a little bit and then it got very annoying and I took it from her, when she promptly decided that a tantrum was the best course of action. She was screaming, crying, hitting me, throwing herself on the floor etc... My husband wanted to cuddle her but I said no way, let her cry. She has to learn when to play and when to have dinner or do other stuff other than play.

After a few minutes, she went from screaming to crying to sobbing, when she realised that i was just ignoring her and continued having my dinner. When she was whimpering, I turned to her, looked at her sternly and asked her if she was going to have dinner nicely and not play. She came to me and hugged me, kissed me on my cheek and told me she loved me. No problem with dinner afterwards - she ate everything that was in her bowl: rice, soup, meat, vegetables, fish.. etc..

Children NEED discipline. If Letty throws a tantrum in a public place, I don't usually say let's just pack it all in and go home. I don't take her to a playroom either. I take her to a quiet corner to talk to her and ask her to calm down, which usually works.


Yeah, I can see discipline becoming a problem. Long before I was even thinking about having kids I always kinda thought the local kids, in general, seemed to be lacking in discipline. From my kidergarten teaching days when Korean teachers would rush over and pamper (crazy-super-insane pamerping) every crying child, and seeing the way mothers always thought their kid could do no wrong.

Fortunately my years of teaching here have helped me perfect the "stop it or I will crush you stare" ....we'll see how long that one actually works Wink
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cosmo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Re: Calling all parents! Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
4 months until my little one comes. As we read and learn more, our differences of opinion are increasing.
She wants the baby's room at 25 degrees, I want 21...
What kind of things did you refuse to budge on. What were you willing to accept?


Ten years ago, I was in the anticipation mode. In my case, I discovered an interesting concept,
"a concept of finding agreement through communication, through a mutual acceptance of terms".
The name of this concept is compromise.

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise

"According cultural background and influences, the meaning and perception of the word "compromise" may be different: In the UK, Ireland and Commonwealth countries the word "compromise" has a positive meaning (as a consent, an agreement where both parties win something); in the USA it may rather have negative connotations (as both parties lose something). In the former Soviet Union, the word was rather unknown."

When you "meet in the middle" or "split the difference", or "do the math"
and add 21 and 25 degrees, and divide by two, you get 23 degrees.
You may even find that the more concessions you give, the more you will get.

It is good to be an informed and prepared parent, but there are different ways to do it.
You may want to spend a little less time agonizing over the future, and a little more time thinking "Be Here Now".
I remember worrying about all aspects of the future of my child, before and after his birth.
It could have helped to be more concerned about keeping myself healthy and relaxed in preparation for the big event.

In the event you get bogged down at the negotiating table and have reached a stalemate, you can try ~
International Crisis Group, Working To Prevent Conflict Worldwide. www.crisisgroup.org

Seriously, the best advice I can give to be prepared is to have a good camera so you can take good pictures, and don't forget to post some here.
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jmbran11



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie- I'm not a parent, so I won't pretend to be any sort of expert, but the thing I would most consider a problem is your wife consulting her mother, doctor, friend, etc. for support that she is "right."

You need to have an understanding that you two are the parents, and you two are the married couple. You don't want your spouse running to her parents every time there is a problem.

Whatever method you two choose to work out your disagreements, it shouldn't be a group vote. If you don't come to an understanding about this issue, it will pop up again and again and again . . . And you'll be hearing "my mother said" when your kid is 10 years old. You need to agree that somehow you will negotiate or compromise or whatever. But you are adults now, and your faith needs to be in each other first.

If my husband told his mother about our disagreements and then used it against me, it would drive me crazy.
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