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Adventurer
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 Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: Washington wakes up to global warming |
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Washington wakes up to global warming By MATT CRENSON, AP National Writer
Sat Jan 27, 12:38 PM ET
NEW YORK - Maybe it's the weird winter weather, or the newly Democratic Congress.
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Maybe it's the news reports about starving polar bears, or the Oscar nomination for Al Gore's global warming cri de coeur, "An Inconvenient Truth."
Whatever the reason, years of resistance to the reality of climate change are suddenly melting away like the soon-to-be-history snows of Kilimanjaro.
Now even George W. Bush says it's a problem.
For years, the president and his supporters argued that not enough was known about global warming to do anything about it. But during last week's State of the Union address Bush finally referred to global warming as an established fact.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070127/ap_on_sc/climate_change_an_update |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Amazing how a hollywood movie can sway an entire nation. How dumb is that? The stark proof of warming has been around for years now. Satisfying to see the deniers fade away on this forum now too. People will not believe something unless they see it, by which time it is usually too late.
Its too late to stop now anyway. We have about 10-15 years is my guess before the changes spark real chaos on the planet. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Amazing how a hollywood movie can sway an entire nation. How dumb is that? The stark proof of warming has been around for years now. Satisfying to see the deniers fade away on this forum now too. People will not believe something unless they see it, by which time it is usually too late.
Its too late to stop now anyway. We have about 10-15 years is my guess before the changes spark real chaos on the planet. |
If that. It's my opinion (unscientifically proven, of course) that the changes which have already just begun will be found to be exponential in nature; once things start getting really bad, they're going to get worse in a hurry. |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Washington wakes up to global warming |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
Washington wakes up to global warming By MATT CRENSON, AP National Writer
Sat Jan 27, 12:38 PM ET
NEW YORK - Maybe it's the weird winter weather, or the newly Democratic Congress.
ADVERTISEMENT
Maybe it's the news reports about starving polar bears, or the Oscar nomination for Al Gore's global warming cri de coeur, "An Inconvenient Truth."
Whatever the reason, years of resistance to the reality of climate change are suddenly melting away like the soon-to-be-history snows of Kilimanjaro.
Now even George W. Bush says it's a problem.
For years, the president and his supporters argued that not enough was known about global warming to do anything about it. But during last week's State of the Union address Bush finally referred to global warming as an established fact.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070127/ap_on_sc/climate_change_an_update |
I watched the State of the Union, and Bush did not aquiesce to the problem of global warming, but to climate change.
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gang ah jee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Amazing how a hollywood movie can sway an entire nation. How dumb is that? The stark proof of warming has been around for years now. Satisfying to see the deniers fade away on this forum now too. People will not believe something unless they see it, by which time it is usually too late.
Its too late to stop now anyway. We have about 10-15 years is my guess before the changes spark real chaos on the planet. |
You rapture-ready, Junior? |
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Junior
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Adventurer
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| Gopher, wherever he is, did mention correctly that we can't exclude the effects of volcanoes. Even if we try to stop the use of fossil fuels we won't really slow down global warming significantly. We are late in the game in my perception. It doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it. As far as Bush, he ignored global climate change for most of his presidency, not that Clinton did much about it. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Gopher, wherever he is, did mention correctly that we can't exclude the effects of volcanoes.. |
That is certainly true, but volcanoes have existed through the past 200 years of our industrialisation.
So have cows, producing methane. If not cows, then even greater herds of wild bison, buffalo, antelopes all roamed the plains of each continent, in unimaginable numbers before we replaced them with domestic animals.
Animal dung does not cause a big hole in the ozone layer. Buffalo do not burn coal and oil in billions of tonnes per year.
Look at Siberia now. The permafrost is vanishing, whole towns are subsiding: methane is bubbling up through the increasing meltwater lakes rapidly. Its huge, a vast area- melting. Mammoth fossils being uncovered at such a rate, they are throwing them away. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Kimchi Cowboy wrote: |
| Its too late to stop now anyway. We have about 10-15 years is my guess before the changes spark real chaos on the planet. |
If that. It's my opinion (unscientifically proven, of course) that the changes which have already just begun will be found to be exponential in nature; once things start getting really bad, they're going to get worse in a hurry. |
Yup. See point, tipping; bifurcation, chaos theory.
See also: Tuvalu, Vanuatu, etc.
People are already being displaced, and it's only just getting started. Answer me this: if we don't have the resources to rebuild one city (N.O.), how are we going to rebuild/relocate multiple cities? |
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