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wylies99
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Even if the Bears lose the Super Bowl to the Colts, it's been a helluva good year for them.  The SUPER BOWL!
This Colts team is one of the greatest offensive teams of all-time. It has been for a couple years. |
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Poemer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Bears by 10 |
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ForceOne
Joined: 25 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Colts by 10. Manning will not be denied. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| If the Bears win, it'll be close- won by their defense and running game. If the Colts offense continues to roll, nothing will stop them. |
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stumptown
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| If the Bears win, it'll be close- won by their defense and running game. If the Colts offense continues to roll, nothing will stop them. |
Nothing can stop Manning during a fourth quarter comeback. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| freshking wrote: |
| I hate the whole Manning family. Especially after that garbage Archie and Eli pulled with San Diego on draft day. I just love watching those two lose. Go Bears! |
I am with you.
Peyton Manning over play and get too much credit and too much attention.
I am for Bears !!! |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a link to an interesting article in the Chicago Sun-Times. A complex, well-regarded simulation has been used to run 10,000 Colts-Bears games. The Colts have won about 60% of those games, with an average score of 28-23 overall. However, in games where the Bears score a touchdown on a return, the Colts have won only 51%, and the average score in 28-27 Colts.
If you're betting, take the Bears to cover the spread would seem to be the suggestion.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/229157,CST-SPT-game25.article
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wylies99
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Betting? Can you legally bet on sports in Korea? (Any genuine sports bookies here). |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| Betting? Can you legally bet on sports in Korea? (Any genuine sports bookies here). |
No.. but you can bet in user points at the Kimchi Pot
Go Lions! |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Woland wrote: |
Here's a link to an interesting article in the Chicago Sun-Times. A complex, well-regarded simulation has been used to run 10,000 Colts-Bears games. The Colts have won about 60% of those games, with an average score of 28-23 overall. However, in games where the Bears score a touchdown on a return, the Colts have won only 51%, and the average score in 28-27 Colts.
If you're betting, take the Bears to cover the spread would seem to be the suggestion.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/229157,CST-SPT-game25.article |
ive lived in the chicago area all my life and much as it pains me to say it, the bears will probably lose against the colts.
rex grossman is not yet ready for prime time, if he ever will be. in reality, this is his "rookie" year. while technically his 4th year in the NFL, he's been injured so much that he played a total of 8 games in the prior three years. (3-'03,2-'04,3-'05). he's easily rattled. witness his trying to call a second consecutive time-out last week. other than one series in, i believe, the third quarter, his passing game was terrible. at least he didn't throw multiple turnovers as he did several games this year.
too inconsistent. the first six weeks of '06 his QB rating was @110. the last five weeks @40 (one week was 0). several games the defense scored more than the offense! the only thing keeping the bears in the game will be their outstanding defense which has been great this year, with a few exceptions, and their special teams play. if the colts don't rock grossman early, the bears could do it. but considering the colts greater playoff experience, i don't think this will happen... |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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Grossman has always been streaky. He had a few off games in college, but he often rose to the occassion to play very well in some big games.. I suspect that - as a former Gator - he'll play better in the (hopefully) warm Florida weather than he showed the last half of the season in Chicago and other cold northern cities.
Although the Colts, led by premier QB Manning, are logically favored, I think that the Bears with Grossman are dangerous - and should at least cover the spread. (I think the Bears would have a better chance if they set up in a shotgun formation to give their fairly short quarterback a little more time against an aggressive defense...) |
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luvnpeas
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| I've never really liked either team, but I've never really hated them either. I grew up a New York Giants fan, and - as a 9 year old - I watched the Colts (then in Baltimore) beat them in the 1958 NFL championship game... |
Jesus, you're older than Brahman.
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When I lived in Florida, including Miami, for many years I was a Dolphins fan, and I saw the big game at the Orange Bowl in 1985 when Dan Marino put on a spectacular aerial display, dashing the Bears' hopes of a perfect season (only achieved by the '72 Dolphins...) The Bears did go on to win the Super Bowl that year though (beating the Patriots...) |
Oh please, the Dolphions only won that game because McMahon was injured and not playing. The Dolphins were also extremely lucky. I remember a Bears pass near the goal line was tipped straight to a Dolphin defender who ran it back for a touchdown. There were several breaks like that. (The '72 Dolphins played a 14-game season.) |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Grossman has always been streaky. He had a few off games in college, but he often rose to the occassion to play very well in some big games.. I suspect that - as a former Gator - he'll play better in the (hopefully) warm Florida weather than he showed the last half of the season in Chicago and other cold northern cities.
Although the Colts, led by premier QB Manning, are logically favored, I think that the Bears with Grossman are dangerous - and should at least cover the spread. (I think the Bears would have a better chance if they set up in a shotgun formation to give their fairly short quarterback a little more time against an aggressive defense...) |
Sorry Im not trying to pick on you here 
But the Colts almost never blitz. They may switch it up for the superbowl but I highly doubt it as their defense just isn't built for it. If the pressure comes it comes from the ends. Also if you go to the shotgun formation it takes away the threat of the run allowing freeney and mathis to forget about draws/delays etc(which were killing them all year). Basically Chicago needs to establish the run game and hope Grossman can complete a few deep passes. The colts will try to contain the run game and more importantly take away the big play(which their defense is set up to do).
The shotgun would help Grossman because he isn't the best at quick timing shows. However it would take away the run game to a large extent. Thats one reason why teams are wary of QBs who excel in the shotgun/spread in college, because the run game is so important in the NFL.
Personally I think the biggest match up in this game is Colts return coverage vs Chicago kick/punt return. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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I concede that "JMO's" analysis of this Sunday's Super Bowl is probably more sound than mine (since I base mine mostly on just a couple articles I've read, a couple playoff games I've watched, and gut feeling ...)
But "luvnpeas" - who sounds like a disgruntled mean old Bears fan - has got it wrong about that '85 Bears - Dolphins game. Even if Jim McMahon had played, the Orange Bowl crowd (including all the '72 Dolphins) was too loud for him to get his signals straight. And the Dolphins overcame some costly penalties to put the game away by half-time. I personally was amazed by Marino's passing accuracy under pressure against a defense that had intimidated and literally knocked out several other teams' quarterbacks...
Here's the Miami team reporter's account of that game:
... Across the nation, the game garnered a Nielsen rating of 29.6, still highest in the history of Monday Night Football. Fans tuning in were treated to Dolphin dominance from the outset.
Chicago's first series consisted of three plays and a punt. Miami took over at its 44-yard line and smoothly drove to a touchdown -- against a defense that hadn't allowed one in 13 quarters.
That epitomized the first half, which became a waking dream for the Dolphins and a surreal nightmare for the visitors. Miami surprised the Bears by having the slow-footed Marino roll out, away from Chicago's ferocious pass rush. Three separate Dolphins holding penalties set up situations of third-and-18, third-and-19, and third-and-13. Each time Marino had time to find an open receiver for a big gain. By halftime it was 31-10 Miami, which had scored on each of its five possessions. By the fourth quarter, the Bears were reduced to feeding the ball to Walter Payton in an effort to get him an NFL-record eighth consecutive 100-yard game (which he attained)...
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIA/5986674 |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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I agree that Manning is a lot more accomplished, is more steadily focused mentally, and has a physical (especially height) advantage, but Grossman isn't that far behind in talent if you compare what each did their first complete year in the pros. Actually the following chart was made at midseason and extrapolates what Grossman did at the half-way point to give a full season total (OK, I know it's kinda bogus, but I'm too tired to search for better stats right now...) It does indicate what could happen over a short stretch...
Grossman: 296/520 - 3698 yards - 56.9% - 28 TD - 20 - INT - 81.1 Rating
P. Manning: 326/575 - 3739 yards - 56.7% - 26 TD - 28 INT - 71.2 Rating
McNabb: 330/569 - 3365 yards - 58.0% - 21 TD - 13 INT -77.8 Rating
Vick: 231/421 - 2936 yards - 54.9% - 16 TD - 8 INT - 81.6 Rating
Brady: 264/413 - 2843 yards - 63.9% - 18 TD - 12 INT - 86.5 Rating
Favre: 302/471 - 3227 yards - 64.1% - 18 TD - 13 INT - 85.3 Rating
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/85459/rex_grossman_the_future_of_the_chicago.html?page=2 |
Oh, please... Manning was playing on a team that was a complete disaster. Not any kind of a comparison. |
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