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[SuperHero]

Vista Upgrades Require Presence of Old OS

[Demophobe]

I see no reason at all to buy Vista.

[bellum99]

[Demophobe]

[cubanlord]

[rocklee]

Demo, I understand your sentiments over Vista, but for me, this is probably the first time in a long time that I'm looking forward to an OS. I think software will be designed better, multimedia will be implemented a lot better and using your system as a media player for the family will be a built-in feature.

I think a lot of people are expecting something innovative that you could see and feel, but one has to understand a little about software development to really understand how difficult it is for a near 20 year old operating system to suddenly take a different shape. This is a software that after all depends on the evolution of hardware. If you look at OSX as an equivalent, there is nothing there that hasn't been done before, most versions of it has been merely cosmetic and minor. It is still based on the 'nix/BSD environment.

MS was running another project called WinFS which would have put Vista in a class well above all the others, but was pulled from the finishing product because MS wanted to bring the technology slowly (in their roadmap kind of way). This technology has to be seen to be believed. It is too advanced for people to understand it now but the way it manages files, software, hardware as entities in a self maintained matrix of information is probably how OS should be heading towards managing people's desktops.

I'm buying a new notebook down the line, so yeah I would probably try and get Vista on it.

[Wrench]

XP will be supported untill 2010

I will think about vista when the first SP will come out. I used the Last beta and I just wasn't impressed with it at all. No new features besides Aero.

[Demophobe]

I will go Vista. I will have to go Vista when I do my next upgrade, as DX10 won't be available for WinXP (maybe...still hope), and to use Aero and a few other graphic features of Vista, one must have DX10 not only installed, but certain hardware specs as well. There is no sense buying a DX10 graphics card and not having the ability to use it.

I will say this; Vista may be the first time in my MS OS history to entice me to download it once the underground has had a chance to play with it. I think MS is forcing their hand in this, and I don't like that. If it were a real revolution, or even a substantial evolution, I wouldn't mind shelling out for it, but I don't see it that way right now.

I realize that MS has put a lot into Vista, and I'm not looking for something radically new. I like Windows as a GUI and think it's come a long way, and is a worthy OS. XP is a good mix for me, but I think Vista will be over the top in ways that I will end up turning off. Heck, I don't even use themes in WinXP anymore; I have it serviced-down to the absolute minimum. I just don't desire all the eye-candy in my OS; I want performance and functionality.

I see a problem between the OS as a program and as an OS. An OS should provide a solid, small footprint frame for computing and should leave the resources of the computer to programs. Do I see the OS as a program? Yes and no. It has to be one by it's nature, but I just don't think it needs to be so piggish as Vista - and borderline with XP - needs to be. It's becoming serious bloatware, all in the name of looking pretty and trying to protect idiots from themselves and the dangers of the internet.

A rant full of holes that I haven't time to plug or patch. I'm sure an interesting discussion will arise in the geek meeting about this; hopefully one where I may be able to articulate my thoughts in more detail than on the forum. I am not anti-Vista or MS, but I am against an OS maker forcing things to generate sales. And make no mistake; there is nothing in Vista that is truly necessary for an experienced computer user. There is nothing more I need than is found in XP, and in fact, I have cut out a lot of the "functionality" of XP, as I don't need most of what it offers.

MS is looking at the modern idiot and trying to make a safe, secure, easy-to-use, automated for the people environment. I am not against that, as many people can't be bothered to to go to lengths to use their computers "as-is" and need that guiding hand. I, and many others, don't need that spoon-feeding.

Ugh...I post myself into needing to post more. WinFS looks really cool; that is a revolution, to be certain.

I am probably being over the top about Vista; I guess I just don't like where I see many areas moving towards in computing, as I see greed, control and money closing many doors that while open, create risk for software, but if closed, represent a darker side of authority I naturally distrust.

[Wrench]

[Demophobe]

[Wrench]

[rocklee]

[rocklee]

In fact, how about the 2 of you tell us what winFS really is rather than beat around the bush and say yeah its all that.

[Demophobe]

[Demophobe]