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Best Game Ever, Part II - Big Gun, Little Gun

 
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Best Game Ever, Part II - Big Gun, Little Gun Reply with quote

There once was a great thread about, "the best game ever". Despite repeatedly trying, I can't get the search function to work, so I'm making a new thread.

On the old thread, concensus was that one of the best games ever is "Big Gun, Little Gun." A quiz game where students after getting the correct answer, chose a square and gain the right to kill or be killed. Object of the game is to kill off the oppossing teams.

I couldn't remember exactly how it worked but went ahead anyways and made an electronic version (ppt). You can find it by clicking the Powerpoint Games link on my website or directly at

http://www.esnips.com/doc/bd3666e3-4016-471f-a37a-01ae92c6f6b2/BIG-GUN-LITTLE-GUN

I'd love for some people to check it out and offer some feedback. I intend to modify it and this is just a first kick at the can. Maybe some of those who posted about the game on the first thread, could do this? It would be much appreciated.

Also, a caution. This game is about "killing" but in a fun way. That said, it might be inappropriate especially in a public school setting. Check with colleagues.

DD
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Axl Rose



Joined: 16 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's the original thread you mentioned: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=55114&start=0
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've no doubt that killing can be more effectively learned by kids when taught in a fun way... Laughing
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've no doubt that killing can be more effectively learned by kids when taught in a fun way...


Good one and I deserve it. Smile Poorly stated on my part.

I struggled with making a game based on this concept but at the end of the day realize that 1. this does exist out there in the form of video games / tv shows / kids play 2. it isn't this kind of "gaming" that makes a violent person but rather "how" it is taught. It can be "fun" if kept in that game of reference.

But I am still undecided and may just delete the game. That's life, full of moral quandries, landmines. Wouldn't want it otherwise, keeps us thinking.

DD

PS. Axel, thanks for posting the thread. I would suggest to others who haven't, it is a great read and lots of valuable ideas there....
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried out little gun big gun with my winter class yesterday.

It RULES!!!! A glitch - A6 takes you back to the first page, and the C column is missing a couple of links BUT the games is so cool that students accepted the glitches as part of the fun. Awesome work - totally awesome.

However it brought around something funny...after class a student came up to me and asked if I knew that the Simpsons was created by a Korean - but the guy was broke so he sold it to an American. Was that a recent announcement at the Korean Ministry of Disinformation for the Sake of the Perpetuation of the Age of Ubiquity that I missed?
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi story wrote:

However it brought around something funny...after class a student came up to me and asked if I knew that the Simpsons was created by a Korean - but the guy was broke so he sold it to an American. Was that a recent announcement at the Korean Ministry of Disinformation for the Sake of the Perpetuation of the Age of Ubiquity that I missed?


The animation is, or at least was, done in Korea. Otherwise, that kid is confused.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 'Particular and General' game works a treat and works well with all levels.

How: write two 5x5 grids on the board, one with 1-25 and one with A-Y. The former are particulars (eg red, blue) and the letters are the general concept (eg colors). Teams must select ONE number and ONE letter and the things those numbers/letters represent are read out by the teacher. Either their selection matches or it doesn't. Give points for matching the particulars with their corresponding concept and offer more points for production of a good sentence involving those things. It's a memory game - so no writing allowed. Teams get points deducted if members confer with each other in Korean, within reason. As you can see below, the selection 8N yields a match. This worked very well in a class of 20 enthusiastic winter camp kids.

Particulars:

1. Red, black, white and blue
2. One hundred, one thousand, ten thousand
One million
3. Jeans, t-shirts, coats, shirts, hats
4. Korean, English, Chinese, Japanese
5. Germany, France, Spain
6. New York, Chicago, LA
7. Guitars, pianos, keyboards, violins
8. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks
9. Elephants, giraffes, lions, tigers
10 Television, DVD player, washing machine
11. left, right, straight,
12. hands, arms, legs, head
13. math, science, English
14. tea, coffee, water, juice
15. snacks, lunch, breakfast, dinner
16. bus, train, plane, subway
17. Yen, Won, Dollar, Euro, Pound
18. Teacher, doctor, lawyer, businessman
19. Men, women, girls, boys,
20. Watching movies, listening to music
Playing games,
21. Pork, beef, chicken,
22. Cabbage, carrots, brocoli, onions
23. Apples, oranges, bananas, grapes,
strawberries
24. Park ji sung, lee hyo ri, Ban Ki Moon
25. Australia, canada, russia, china, brazil, india

General

A. transport
B. food
C. languages
D. colors
E. drinks
F. big numbers
G. electrical goods
H. clothes
I. directions
J. countries in Europe
K. musical instruments
L. cities in America
M. parts of the body
N. time
O. school subjects
P. animals
Q. meat
R. fruit
S. money
T. hobbies
U. jobs
V. famous Koreans
W. people
X. vegetables
Y. very big countries
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried out little gun big gun with my winter class yesterday.

It RULES!!!! A glitch - A6 takes you back to the first page, and the C column is missing a couple of links BUT the games is so cool that students accepted the glitches as part of the fun. Awesome work - totally awesome.


Kimchi thx.

Good to hear that it works and is playable. I am/was thinking about changing the sheriff option. Does this work as is or would it be better to change the sheriff option so that the team that gets it, can arrest someone from another team?

About the glitches. I will check but also note that often PPT doesn't load totally/correctly. I often get some minor problem and then next time when I run it, it works. Go figure. But you could be right.

DD
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also my other "What/who/where am I?" matching game:

Teams must match the descriptions (which I read out) with their corresponding person, place, thing etc...again using 2 grids (18 numbers and 18 letters this time, as it is more difficult). This was used with an advanced middle school class although of course can be simplified to suit any level. As you can see, the selection 6N yields a match and again extra points are available for production of a relevant sentence (but don't repeat the description - make them concentrate and recall!)

Descriptions

1. I have 3 letters, I begin with B and people sleep on me.
2. I am very hot, near Earth, I am a planet, and I begin with V.
3. I am the most popular sport in the world.
4. I am expensive, people wear me, and I come from cows' skin.
5. I am a subway station in downtown Seoul. Line 1, line 3 and line 5 go through me.
6. I am a school subject and I am about the past.
7. I am very big and I contain eight planets and one star.
8. I am on your face and I contain many teeth.
9. I am a country in Britain and I begin with S.
10. I am a very, very big fish and I will EAT YOU!!!
11. I am a famous President and everyone hates me.
12. I am a big place in the USA, I contain Los Angeles and San Francisco and I begin with C.
13. I am the three most common family names in Korea.
14. I am water and Japanese people call me the Sea of Japan.
15. I am a very big number in English and I contain 6 zeros.
16. I am dead and I am your mother�s mother�s mother.
17. I am dead, but I am also not dead.
18. I am the biggest island and people here speak English.

Answers

A. a shark
B. California
C. Australia
D. a ghost
E. The East Sea
F. Great, great grandmother
G. Kim, Lee and Park
H. a bed
I. Soccer
J. Jongno-3-ga
K. leather
M. Scotland
N. History
O. the Solar System
P. Mouth
Q. Bush
R. One million
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the glitchy ppt loading sounds right - I was fooling around opening and closing (to reset - my dropdowns are all in korean and I'm not THAT savvy with ppt) a lot as I got my bearings.

The sherriff works how it is, imo, and it gives the game a sort of symmetry the same way the landmines do - a balance of potentially whacking others but also being at risk of being whacked by your own decision. (edited to add: now that I think about it, I think I'll try the sheriff option of gettin' someone else with it)

Hospitals - to bank or not to bank? If a group gets an H before any players are dead, should they be able to bank their H? Likewise, if a team has all their players and other teams don't should they, upon uncovering an H, be forced to give it to another team? I'll fool around some more next week as I'm working with the third years and they have finished the textbook.

Wicked good work, and props for sharing really great game.
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