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Joe Dresnok, the last American in North Korea
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Joe Dresnok, the last American in North Korea Reply with quote

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

This is absolutely amazing. It's about an American soldier who ran through the DMZ and defected to the North.

By the way, this guy *is* Dave's ESL cafe...an avatar if you will. he's crotchety, a lost soul, and if he were raised nowadays, he'd probably call people noobs.

also--

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/20/60minutes/main959455_page3.shtml

Here is a report from another defector who repatriated. Obviously a completely different take
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy is more interesting and creepier than Charles Jenkins. Jenkins knew he screwed up, this guy is happy in North Korea. Whats even more bizarre is his blond, blue eyed son calling himself a Korean.
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NAVFC



Joined: 10 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know if hes happy. Barbara walters did a interview with him on her documentary and upon being shown a picture of his hometown this ghuy teared up big time. Maybe , just like the othr North Koreans, he says what he says for rear of punishment?
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I'm Seoul Lost



Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Location: In the mountains of Gyeonggi

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
I dont know if hes happy. Barbara walters did a interview with him on her documentary and upon being shown a picture of his hometown this ghuy teared up big time. Maybe , just like the othr North Koreans, he says what he says for rear of punishment?

That doesn't really indicate anything. It's supposedly very common for exiles and defectors to feel a certain amount of nostalgia for "home". It's doesn't mean they hate the place they are in right now, there just isn't that same mental attachment. I'm sure we've all experienced similar feelings on occasion, no matter how well Korea's treated us. And unlike defectors/exiles, we could all easily return home if we really wanted to.
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uofagirl



Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Central Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caught this on AFN tonight. The guy seemed genuinely satisfied with his life. He clearly realizes that he's had a lot of special treatment and is thankful for it.
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Okibum



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a statute of limitations on desertion from the US military? I am just curious to see if he would get in trouble if he were to go back to the States.
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okibum wrote:
Is there a statute of limitations on desertion from the US military? I am just curious to see if he would get in trouble if he were to go back to the States.


No. No statute of limitations. Jenkins was tried and convicted of desertion, but I think he only served 1 week or month on a military base and not a prison.

Dresnok on the other hand....

He can stay in N.Korea! Based on his comments, beatings of Jenkins, and his brainwashed son, I have a huge dislike for this guy. And since he portrayed evil Americans in their propoganda movies, if he were to go home not only could he be tried for desertion, but treason as well...and rightly so!

I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that since he still lives in Dear Leader's Land he may just be covering his arse, but if I take his attitude and comments at face value I would not lose sleep if he were to hang.

I WOULD pay a wooden nickle to hear and see his caucasian son speak English with a Korean accent. That's gotta be a first.
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Zolt



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The political climate was entirely different when Jenkins returned, plus he had a japanese wife and the japanese PM backing him at the time, and he was still court martialed, even if he got it easy.

No, the way back home is closed for this guy- unless of course he's got enough hot info to sell the CIA. But somehow I doubt that.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id love to see Dresnok hang or shot.
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Zolt



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well 44 years in north korea sounds like an adequate punishment, no?
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zolt wrote:
Well 44 years in north korea sounds like an adequate punishment, no?


No, I don't think so. He looks well fed unlike most N.Koreans, hooked up with 2 wives and sired 3 children. No, not a punishment, but more like a reward or mealticket for his betrayal. He's even got a son going to a prestigious uni granted ya have to question the "education" that he's getting.
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Ekuboko



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think his family will be treated after he dies?
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ekuboko wrote:
How do you think his family will be treated after he dies?


Like father, like son! His son is gonna be major propaganda points. "Hey look, we gotta white guy on OUR side! Born and bred! Nanny-nanny-boo-boo!"

And he'll probably be a big player in politics if he plays by their brainswas..I mean rules.
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The Hierophant



Joined: 13 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi_pizza wrote:


I WOULD pay a wooden nickle to hear and see his caucasian son speak English with a Korean accent. That's gotta be a first.

The first linked article has a streamed video feed on the right-hand side of the webpage. Click on that for the full video, you'll see and hear Dresnok's son speaking. I think his accent sounds more Russian than Korean though...
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Medic



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of half Korean half white doods floating around in Seoul and other such cities. When you see them you know automatically that they are mixed, because they are physically bigger than your basic Korean. Weirdest thing though is to hear their broken Korean English. I got the feeling once when I was picked up by a taxi driven by one of them, that they are very sensitive and empathetic to the needs of us expats. Probably a byproduct of the treatment they got while growing up.

Japan has em too, but they are a lot better integrated into Japanese culture.
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