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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| Dude, why would you quit a real job to come to Korea? Stay there. |
a$$hole. b/c he wants to. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| i_teach_esl wrote: |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| Dude, why would you quit a real job to come to Korea? Stay there. |
a$$hole. b/c he wants to. |
I think Pyongshin Sangja means more that if he had a decent job in Toronto, he definitely wouldn't be in Korea right now. Am I rite Pyongshin? |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, i think im being a lil' too touchy. i take it back. it's b/c i was heavily questioned as to why i was so "hell bent" on coming to korea, and all the "just stay where you are" commands really drove me crazy. it ticked me off, all these white people telling me what's best for me. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| i_teach_esl wrote: |
| yeah, i think im being a lil' too touchy. i take it back. it's b/c i was heavily questioned as to why i was so "hell bent" on coming to korea, and all the "just stay where you are" commands really drove me crazy. it ticked me off, all these white people telling me what's best for me. |
Heh, fair enough. In future though, instead of a$$hole, you should call Pyongshin Sangja a 'rear end in a top hat'. It suits him better. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Blacks and English teachers are non-persons here. That's the bottom line. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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oh thanks mack...one more of your truths? 
Keep telling it like it is for all of us mack... |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Re: I have a Dream... |
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Salutations all,
I am the boyfriend of the original poster (MF) and the black male that is the subject of all of this controversy. First off I wold like to not only thank my gf for taking the time to start this up, but all of you that have had the courage and interest to provide your insights about this touchy yet important topic.
Firstly, I'm not headed to Korea because I have to, I'm doing this because I want to. I'm taking a leave of absence from a rather large Toronto based Marketing company here in Canada (where I have done rather well) in order to pursue my dreams of travelling with a friend and my significant other for a bit before I settle down. I have been out of University for little under a year now and I have had the oportunity to manage/be a part of some rather large teams under some fairly prominent banners within my short working career i.e Redbull, Budweiser, Daimler Chrysler etc. and this in itself is not easy task for anyone to accomplish in such a short time let alone a black male. I am fully aware of all of the racism that may or may not be prevalent in South Korea, but you know what? Who cares? I have faced and overcome many obstacles and I simply see this one as just another bump in the road on the big highway I like to call my life. Sure it may be difficult at first, but I'll manage and succeed. I always do, with the help of a certain wonderful woman of course. Why would anyone want life to be a cake walk. I'm sure we all have our differences that we have faced i.e dyslexia, eating disorders disfigurement etc. that have made life more difficult, but as the saying goes get knocked down twice, but stand up thrice.
I am 100 percent confident in my teaching abilites and interpersonal skills and anyone that meets me I'm sure that I can win them over on charisma alone. I'm not bragging, but simply basing this on my past experiences. I'm afriendly and articulate person who enjoys meeting new people on a daily basis so please don't worry about me or feel pity for me. If you see a 6'5'', 240 lb black male in Korea at the grocery store, bath house or nightclub in the near future, feel free to come up to me and introduce yourself. Bring up this posting if you need to. We'll shake hands, introduce ourselves and maybe I'll buy you a drink or simply share a simple conversation. I must mention that racism is not something I face in my everday life, but I do acknowledge that it is there. I seem to get more attention from being tall than black I find and as I said before, I will manage. I hope to see some of you over there, until then good luck on all of your endeavours and never EVER quit.
Sincerely,
One man living one journey |
Well, you already got the right attitude. Like I said, I'm black, I have black friends in my social circle (although one just left  ), etc. The general consensus is that you're gonna get *it* eventually. But, when you do, it will be no worse than what some Kyopos get, or even some white people get.
Some of my own "funny" racial stories--
Having korean girls who are in to hip hop ask me to sing Usher at noraebang.
Going to a Jamjaelbang and having a korean man explicitly tell me I have a big *beep*.
Having little kids say I look like a monkey, despite the fact that I really, really *really* don't (I also have to fight the urge to tell them how ajumma's look like little orangutans, a fact which a kyopo friend confirmed)
Playing that stupid fukking game...ya know, that racing video game with the babies...and the one black baby looks like a mammy doll from the 20's (complete with bone through the nose, HI OHHHHH!!!).
On that note, having every animated portrayal of a black person be virtually the same--curly mini-fro with dark brown skin and those aggravating white or cream lips.
Oh, and lets not forget wanting to touch my hair.
In all, if you look at that list, no one's called me a nigrah, or tried to lynch me, or even really gave me dirty looks when I was dating a korean girl.
Racially, I think Korea is a place that *you* as a *person* can still change without being Martin Luther King, just by being a respectable guy or gal. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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oh thanks mack...one more of your truths?
Keep telling it like it is for all of us mack... |
I've no intention of doing otherwise, and everyone's the better for it.
Also, please explain to me where your experience as a black man comes from? Did you overdose on tanning medication? |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| is mack black? is he SHAFT? |
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ottawagg
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Take it easy everyone. As I said before all responses are appreciated. It's hard to have a good dicussion/debate/argument without a good devil's advocate. I'm 'leaving' my job here because it will be there waiting for me when I get back. It's more than a decent job, it's a great job, but I love a challenge. This experience is something that has to be done now or never. Also I don't think a little Korean kid calling me a 'monkey' is going to be an issue seeing as they look a lot more like little monkeys then I do. Gorilla...maybe...
P.S. Nobody will be touching my hair...unless they plan on standing on each other's shoulders. |
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demaratus
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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I would imagine that Korea is similar to most homogenous societies. Diversity of any kind is often feared and people respond to it in racist or xenophobic ways. In Taiwan I had many friends of colour, mostly Filipinos but also some black and mixed race people. They never really experienced racism any worse there than they did at home. In fact the most common stories of racism came from mixed race Chinese. Having thick skin is nessecary for any foriegner, black white, purple whatever. Responding angrily to everything that you feel is racist or discriminatory in a foriegn country can sometimes make the problem worse (not that anyone should have to put up with gross ignorance, but being confrontational in a foriegn country never is a good thing). The OP and their parter both seem well adjusted enough that they will have no problems.
Cheers and good luck from a fellow, soon-to-be Korea newbie.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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oh thanks mack...one more of your truths?
Keep telling it like it is for all of us mack... |
I've no intention of doing otherwise, and everyone's the better for it.
Also, please explain to me where your experience as a black man comes from? Did you overdose on tanning medication? |
"Blacks and English teachers are non-persons here. That's the bottom line."
That is what you said (italics are mine) isn't it? Blacks and English teachers. Not black men, not black English teachers. So maybe, just maybe Mr. Homer is talking about his experience as an English teacher?
But since you claim that blacks are non persons here, where does YOUR experience as a black man come from?
To Mr.ottawagg. Ignore mack. And I agree with the other posters about finding a job at a public school although some hakwons are also colour blind. A few years ago I worked with a Korean-American-African girl. The students loved her. So although there are some ignorant people here there are also some pleasant ones as well. Ignore the idiots and make friends with the pleasant ones and there's no reason you shouldn't have a great time here.
Best of luck. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| A few years ago I worked with a Korean-American-African girl. The students loved her. |
So your school was in the practice of hiring children? Sexist language using bigot! It's obvious you do not respect women. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: Reply with quote
i_teach_esl wrote:
Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
Dude, why would you quit a real job to come to Korea? Stay there.
a$$hole. b/c he wants to.
I think Pyongshin Sangja means more that if he had a decent job in Toronto, he definitely wouldn't be in Korea right now. Am I rite Pyongshin?
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學生夢死
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Yes, I am not that hip to the Koreans right now. In fact, I am no longer in Korea I am so unhip to it. I might be back, but I'll be on the fast train out. (I hope.) I am tired of Korea, it might work for you so much the better. Yes, sure he wants to. After 5 years in Korea, I am saying that I think I know better about Korea and its dead-ends. The Korean quality of life is not getting better, the Canadian is. Rock on, Korea. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| A few years ago I worked with a Korean-American-African girl. The students loved her. |
So your school was in the practice of hiring children? Sexist language using bigot! It's obvious you do not respect women. |
YOU do so NOT want to go there.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=561009&highlight=#561009 |
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