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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| If they could only mass 30,000 thousand given the MILLIONS in the area, it is clear that it was only the usual suspects - pinks, reds, aging hippies, greenies, free mumia types, anti globalization loonies and anarchist rat bags. This is hardly what you would call a "mass movement" that would bring on "a long, hot summer". The so-called "peace rally" just after 9/11 attracked more. Dream on, Canadian. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: ... |
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Remember the pro-war demonstrations?
Carl, do you care to predict how many of those there'll be ths summer? |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| And 30,000 loonies still does not a mass movement make. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Thousands of Christians hold anti-war service in D.C.
Christian service kicks off weekend of nationwide Iraq war protests
� Marched toward White House to mark upcoming fourth anniversary of invasion
� 222 arrested, accused of crossing line, not moving on White House sidewalk
� President Bush away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Thousands of Christians prayed for peace at an anti-war service Friday night at the Washington National Cathedral, kicking off a weekend of protests around the country to mark the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq.
Afterward, participants marched with battery-operated faux candles through snow and wind toward the White House, where police began arresting protesters shortly before midnight. Protest guidelines require demonstrators to continue moving while on the White House sidewalk.
"We gave them three warnings, and they broke the guidelines," said Lt. Scott Fear. "There's an area on the White House sidewalk where you have to keep moving."
222 people arrested; Bush away for weekend
About 100 people crossed the street from Lafayette Park -- where thousands of protesters were gathered -- to demonstrate on the White House sidewalk late Friday. Police began cuffing them and putting them on buses to be taken for processing.
Fear said 222 people had been arrested by Saturday morning. The first 100 were charged with disobeying a lawful order, and the others with crossing a police line. All of them were fined $100.
The windows of the executive mansion were dark, as the president was away for the weekend at Camp David in Maryland.
A change of heart over time toward Iraq war
John Pattison, 29, said he and his wife flew in from Portland, Oregon, to attend his first anti-war rally. He said his opposition to the war had developed over time.
"Quite literally on the night that shock and awe commenced, my friend and I toasted the military might of the United States," Pattison said. "We were quite proud and thought we were doing the right thing."
He said the way the war had progressed and U.S. foreign policy since then had forced him to question his beliefs.
"A lot of the rhetoric that we hear coming from Christians has been dominated by the religious right and has been strong advocacy for the war," Pattison said. "That's just not the way I read my Gospel."
'The war, from a Christian point of view, is morally wrong'
The ecumenical coalition that organized the event, Christian Peace Witness for Iraq, distributed 3,200 tickets for the service in the cathedral, with two smaller churches hosting overflow crowds. The cathedral appeared to be packed, although sleet and snow prevented some from attending.
"This war, from a Christian point of view, is morally wrong -- and was from the beginning," the Rev. Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners/Call to Renewal, one of the event's sponsors, said toward the end of the service to cheers and applause. "This war is ... an offense against God."
In his speech, the Rev. Raphael G. Warnock, senior pastor at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church, lashed out at Congress for being "too morally inept to intervene" to stop the war, but even more harshly against President Bush.
'Mr. Bush, we need a surge in truth-telling'
"Mr. Bush, my Christian brother, we do need a surge in troops. We need a surge in the nonviolent army of the Lord," he said. "We need a surge in conscience and a surge in activism and a surge in truth-telling."
Celeste Zappala of Philadelphia recounted how she learned of the death of her son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, who served in the National Guard. When a uniformed man came to her door asking if she was Baker's mother, she said yes.
"'Yes,' and then I fell to the ground and somewhere outside of myself I heard someone screaming and screaming," she said.
The Friday night events mark the beginning of what is planned as a weekend of protests ahead of Tuesday's anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, which began on March 20, 2003.
On Saturday morning, a coalition of protest groups has a permit for up to 30,000 people to march from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial across the Potomac River to the Pentagon. Smaller demonstrations are planned in cities across the country.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/17/christians.protest.ap/index.html |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Thank god there are some Christians out there......
Thank god.
I would also add, one of the greatest thrusts of Christianity and its core (despite how tyrants of all ages have blocked it), has been pacifism. The notion of love thy neighbour and turn the other cheek. (I'm speaking of the revelation of the new testament, the lamb laying down with the lion).
But also as these demonstrators attest, objection to all that would not be of this spirit.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Opposing this horrible war has nothing to do with Christianity. It is just sanity. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I caught the "March on the Pentagon" on Cspan. What a joke. If there were more than 1000 loonies and I do mean loonies- the usual suspects- greenies, pinks, Mexicans ( why would Mexicans would be there is beyond me) aging hippies and young anarchists, I would be shocked. The term for that turnout is pathetic. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Thousands Protest As War Enters 5th Year
By LARRY MARGASAK and MATTHEW BARAKAT
WASHINGTON Mar 17, 2007 (AP)� Denouncing a conflict entering its fifth year, protesters across the country raised their voices Saturday against U.S. policy in Iraq and marched by the thousands to the Pentagon in the footsteps of an epic demonstration four decades ago against another divisive war.
A counterprotest was staged, too, on a day of dueling signs and sentiments such as "Illegal Combat" and "Peace Through Strength," and songs like "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "War (What's It Good For?)."
Thousands crossed the Potomac River from the Lincoln Memorial to rally loudly but peacefully near the Pentagon. "We're here in the shadow of the war machine," said anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan. "It's like being in the shadow of the death star. They take their death and destruction and they export it around the world. We need to shut it down."
Smaller protests were held in other U.S. cities, stretching to Tuesday's four-year anniversary of the Iraq invasion. In Los Angeles, Vietnam veteran Ed Ellis, 59, hoped the demonstrations would be the "tipping point" against a war that has killed more than 3,200 U.S. troops and engulfed Iraq in a deadly cycle of violence.
"It's all moving in our direction, it's happening," he predicted at the Hollywood rally. "The administration, their get-out-of-jail-free card, they don't get one anymore."
Other protests and counter-demonstrations were held in San Francisco, San Diego and Hartford, Conn., where more than 1,000 rallied at the Old State House.
Overseas, tens of thousands marched in Madrid as Spaniards called not only for the U.S. to get out of Iraq but to close the prison for terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Smaller protests were staged in Greece and Turkey.
Speakers at the Pentagon rally criticized the Bush administration at every turn but blamed congressional Democrats, too, for refusing to cut off money for the war.
"This is a bipartisan war," New York City labor activist Michael Letwin told the crowd. "The Democratic party cannot be trusted to end it."
Police no longer give official estimates but said privately that perhaps 10,000 to 20,000 anti-war demonstrators marched, with a smaller but still sizable number of counterprotesters also out in force. An hour into the three-hour Pentagon rally, with the temperature near freezing, protesters had peeled away to a point where fewer than 1,000 were left.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2960091&page=2 |
Since this event took place on Saturday and the previous one on Friday, I'm assuming it's safe to count as a separate event, but I'm open to alternative interpretations. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Thousands protest in Hollywood
By Rong-Gong Lin II, Times Staff Writer
March 18, 2007
Actors and musicians joined thousands of demonstrators marching through Hollywood on Saturday afternoon, chanting slogans and hoisting signs to call for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.
College students joined with gray-haired activists to chant "Stop the War" as the march started at Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street. Police said 5,000 to 6,000 people took part; organizers estimated many more. (My italics - MOS)
Organized by the L.A. branch of Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, the march marked the fourth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
"The war has been on people's minds, especially after the midterm elections, when antiwar sentiment swept the Republicans out of Congress," said Ian Thompson, a march coordinator.
But "the Democrats have done little, if anything at all, to respond to public sentiment," he said. "I think people are fed up with that."
Some marchers were optimistic. "We were in the minority, and now we are in the majority," said Christopher Armen, 51, a Los Angeles native.
For others, the march was a reminder that U.S. involvement in Iraq remains strong. "It's more and more frustrating," said Chris Giaco, 39, of Long Beach.
And marcher Michael Sanchez, 50, of Montebello was upset that the turnout for the march wasn't larger.
The protest had a Hollywood feel. Marchers snapped photos of a Glendale couple wearing grim reaper costumes�"I'm Bush, she's Cheney," said husband Norm Wheeler. Actress Athena Demos rose above the crowdon orange stilts, with 8-foot cloth wings. "I'm dressed like the dove of peace," she said.
Dan Conkey, 58, a tourist from Columbus, Ohio, who called himself a supporter of President Bush, marveled.
"It's kind of a freak show," said Conkey, wearing an orange shirt and shorts. "But it's kind of neat to see this on Hollywood and Vine. It's entertaining."
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Times staff writers Charles Proctor and Ashley Surdin contributed to this report.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-peace18mar18,1,106874.story?coll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=1&cset=true
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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From yesterday's protest in NYC. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| I caught the "March on the Pentagon" on Cspan. What a joke. If there were more than 1000 loonies and I do mean loonies- the usual suspects- greenies, pinks, Mexicans ( why would Mexicans would be there is beyond me) aging hippies and young anarchists, I would be shocked. The term for that turnout is pathetic. |
I have little doubt that it is beyond you, but a great, great many "Mexicans" in the U.S. descend from many generations of Americans (previously "Mexicans" when where they live, the whole South west of the U.S., was Mexico.
Yes, it will be a long hot summer, as the "loonies" take the streets in the U.S. and elsewhere. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I have little doubt that it is beyond you, but a great, great many "Mexicans" in the U.S. descend from many generations of Americans (previously "Mexicans" when where they live, the whole South west of the U.S., was Mexico... |
Why would some antiwar Mexican-Americans show up at the protests? Who knows? Let them protest all they like -- just like anybody else.
Clarification, however, Desultude: you refer to contemporary Mestizo-Mexicans whose European anscestors violently dispossed the Mexica and other tribes of their lands in the sixteenth century, and whose Aztecan anscestors had violently subjected and extracted tribute, including sacrificial victims, from other peoples and cultures considerably earlier, as if they had some primordial claim to be there -- that is, in the American Southwest and therefore Washington, D.C.
I always love these righteousness claims, Desultude. "The Southwest is ours because we conquered it after about one or two dozen others had risen and fallen and/or conquered it." You have no moral reservations about the Aztec Empire or the Spanish Conquest?
Whatever. But in cases like these, "possession is nine-tenths of the law." And these Mexican-Americans are there as American citizens, legal residents, or illegals. Whichever it may be, they are there under American auspices, participating in American issues. Thus our questions and concerns about the Mexican flags and Che Guevara imagery and what it supposedly means to them that seem to appear every time a significant number of Mexican-Americans protest...and as you know, Guevara was not an antiwar activist, Desultude.
Moreover, if I were a Mexican in the mood to protest something truly unjust, I might start by protesting the Mexican-govt's Tlatelolco Massacre and subsequent cover-up, among many, many other Mexican issues.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
From yesterday's protest in NYC. |
Funny |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| "We're here in the shadow of the war machine," said anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan. "It's like being in the shadow of the death star. They take their death and destruction and they export it around the world..." |
What will she do once W. Bush leaves office and/or the war ends and her soap-box vanishes...?
By the way, Manner of Speaking: in a nation of approximately three-hundred million, how do you define "massive...?" |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, Manner of Speaking: in a nation of approximately three-hundred million, how do you define "massive...?" |
Gopher,
That's a good point...actually, after I started the thread, I realized that the adjective "massive" was a little unspecific.
If you notice on the first page, I refined my estimate/prediction a bit: "To be more specific, I estimate - "bet" - there will be at least eight events of at least ten thousand protesters each, in the US, by the end of August." |
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