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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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On the other hand
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| Jesus Christ, has Arthur Schlesinger Jr. started downing mushrooms and posting on Dave's? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Jesus Christ, has Arthur Schlesinger Jr. started downing mushrooms and posting on Dave's? |
Perhaps your best quick-retort ever. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Has he a) convinced anyone yet of his conspiracy? b) even got anyone interested in a serious debate on this tired old loony tunes subject? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| Jesus Christ, has Arthur Schlesinger Jr. started downing mushrooms and posting on Dave's? |
Why are you asking Jesus?
You might have better luck asking Elvis.
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: Re: The Assassination of JFK (JR) |
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** scratching head ** Okeyyyyyy...to turn the question around, what would have been the consequences if JFK Jr hadn't died? Why would anyone need to assassinate him? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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CURRENT events.
And who really cares about JFK Jr. anyway? He got what was coming to him. Fate, accident o assassination. Pretty boy |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| And who really cares about JFK Jr. anyway? He got what was coming to him. Fate, accident o assassination. Pretty boy. |
That is nice. Antiestablishment strikes again.
But I have an answer: his family. I seem to recall his family being rather devastated when he died. How about that? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I used to fly a lot. JFK Jr. was flying an airplane that was beyond his capabilites into bad weather. He screwed up and he died, worse he took others with him. Idiot. |
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Pateach
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: Conspiracy Theories |
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Religion may be "the opium of the masses"...but conspiracy theories seem to be the drug of choice on-line.
JFK Jr. was was an unskilled pilot. Yet another tragedy for that family. Bush and Cheney are too busy screwing the poor to trifle with the Kennedys... |
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jinju
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| And who really cares about JFK Jr. anyway? He got what was coming to him. Fate, accident o assassination. Pretty boy. |
That is nice. Antiestablishment strikes again.
But I have an answer: his family. I seem to recall his family being rather devastated when he died. How about that? |
Oh please, the Kennedies have no feelings. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| But DAMN, they wear some kickin' shoes. |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: Conspiracy Theories |
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| Pateach wrote: |
Religion may be "the opium of the masses"...but conspiracy theories seem to be the drug of choice on-line.
JFK Jr. was was an unskilled pilot. Yet another tragedy for that family. Bush and Cheney are too busy screwing the poor to trifle with the Kennedys... |
As with his father on the day JFK (the President) was murdered in Dallas, George Jr. can't seem to "remember" where he disappeared to from off of the Presidential campaign trail for 3 DAYS just shortly before JFK Jr's plane fell from the sky.
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wannago
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Conspiracy Theories |
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| Pateach wrote: |
Religion may be "the opium of the masses"...but conspiracy theories seem to be the drug of choice on-line.
JFK Jr. was was an unskilled pilot. Yet another tragedy for that family. Bush and Cheney are too busy screwing the poor to trifle with the Kennedys... |
As with his father on the day JFK (the President) was murdered in Dallas, George Jr. can't seem to "remember" where he disappeared to from off of the Presidential campaign trail for 3 DAYS just shortly before JFK Jr's plane fell from the sky. |
Oh my god! Get Dan Rather on the line. Maybe he can forge some documents or something. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy Theories |
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| wannago wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Pateach wrote: |
Religion may be "the opium of the masses"...but conspiracy theories seem to be the drug of choice on-line.
JFK Jr. was was an unskilled pilot. Yet another tragedy for that family. Bush and Cheney are too busy screwing the poor to trifle with the Kennedys... |
As with his father on the day JFK (the President) was murdered in Dallas, George Jr. can't seem to "remember" where he disappeared to from off of the Presidential campaign trail for 3 DAYS just shortly before JFK Jr's plane fell from the sky. |
Oh my god! Get Dan Rather on the line. Maybe he can forge some documents or something. |
The following article originally appeared in the July 22, 1977 issue of "The Continuing Inquiry."
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Dan Rather Blinked
by Penn Jones, Jr
The greatest criminal in this nation, we think, is a dishonest newsman. Newsmen have been given the highest gift a nation can give a group: a right. Newsmen have been given this right of freedom of the press and freedom of speech in the expectation they would report the truth as honestly as humanly possible. Ordinary criminals kill individuals, but dishonest newsmen are involved in killing a nation--in this case, this democracy. Which brings us to native Texan Dan Rather, a longtime Houstonian, and his new book, The Camera Never Blinks.
Rather's book is somewhat like Jim Bishop's The Day Kennedy Was Shot. At least a month's work would be required to correct the many errors Jim Bishop and Rather each foist on the readers. We limit our criticisms of the Rather book to the sections dealing with CBS coverage of President Kennedy's visit to Dallas. Rather was chief of the Dallas bureau.
The omissions, errors, distortions, and untruths in Rather's book are just too great and too numerous to be dismissed as unintentional inaccuracies or harmless forgetfulness. Back in Dallas after having been moved from there to New Orleans just a few weeks before President Kennedy's assassination, Rather played a major role that day in all the events for CBS. For a young newsman with such an important assignment on his hands, we find it strange that he would take a side trip that morning. Rather reports he went to Uvalde, Texas for an after-breakfast meeting with former Vice President John Nance Garner at his home there, but he doesn't mention the distances involved. He does not bother to tell his readers it was a six hundred mile round trip and that he was back in Dallas before the President's parade.
That kind of timing would have required a jet, we think. Whose jet, Rather didn't say.
But the biggest distortion is what he said he saw when he was one of the few persons in the world privileged to see the Abraham Zapruder film that Saturday morning, November 23. In his narration of the film as part of CBS nationwide television coverage, Rather said the President's head "went forward with considerable violence." This narration confirmed the so-called "Oswald position" for the nation, but he said nothing about the violent backward motion of the President's head which would have strongly suggested a second gunman at that early date. Rather does take care to tell us again that he took no notes.
Actually the President's head went forward for about three inches and then was slammed to the left rear--not consistent with a shot being fired from the "Oswald position" from behind President Kennedy.
His book says this about the incident: "At the risk of sounding too defensive, I challenge anyone to watch for the first time a twenty-two second film of devastating impact, run several blocks, then describe what they had seen in its entirety, without notes. Perhaps someone can do it better than I did that day. I only know that I did it as well and as honestly as I could under the conditions.
"But here is where the case gets tricky. Years later, a group of assassination buffs took an audio tape of my description of what I saw in the office of Zapruder's lawyer and laid it over the film as a narration. So the impression was given that Dan Rather was part of a conspiracy. Either that or he was a Communist dupe, or something, how else could he have seen the film, etc. etc."
No one that I know ever thought Rather was a Communist dupe. All I wanted Rather to do was admit his error to the television audience he had misinformed. Grudgingly, he admits the error in his book, but that is not the same as saying so on CBS evening news.
I paid a film company in California to have the voice of Rather synchronized to the action of the Zapruder film. I tried unsuccessfully to show the film to Rather.
My film was shown at the Democratic Convention held in Miami in 1972. Newsmen who saw the film were shocked at what they saw and immediately confronted Rather who reportedly said "No comment." On the tenth anniversary of the President's death we showed the film to Jim Mangrum head of Associated Press for Texas. The showing was in my home. Mangrum was so upset he called Rather, but was unable to reach him until the next day.
Mangrum called me to inform that Rather said he made "an honest error."
Here is how Rather slides by his incorrect description, the only possible narration depicting the actual shooting of the President that the nation had that Saturday: "...Regrettably, it was not without error, in terms of what was unsaid about the movement of the President's head. A few who had tried to sell themselves as assassination experts misused that account to build themselves a false premise.
"It is gruesome even now, and always will be, to talk about this scene, but the single most dramatic piece of the film is the part where the President's head lurches slightly forward, then explodes backward. I described the forward motion of his head. I failed to mention the violent, backward reaction. This was, as some assassination buffs now argue, a major omission. But certainly not deliberate."
All those who have seen the film (and it is now possible for everyone, with no thanks due to LIFE), know the President's head did not go as Rather said, "...forward with considerable violence." The head went backward and to the left with terrific violence. In fact, physicists say the force was so great the bullet must have weighed one pound, or more likely was a round of explosive ammunition.
The handling of the Zapruder film has been dishonest from the beginning. LIFE paid a tremendous price with the stated purpose of withholding the film from the people. This done by a group to whom the people had granted the right of freedom of the press so the people could be informed.
The public first saw the film during the famous 1968 Claw Shaw trial in New Orleans as then District Attorney Jim Garrison got a copy of the film from LIFE by court order. He showed the film at least thirteen times to the jury and to the entire courtroom audience. All were shocked. One of the two rulings made by that jury was that there was a conspiracy that killed President Kennedy. The other jury ruling was that Clay Shaw was not involved. That jury determination would be different in light of 1976 CIA documents revealing Shaw was CIA.
Years later we learned LIFE had delivered to Garrison a copy of the film deliberately made fuzzy or out of focus which hid much of the incriminating evidence. But at the time, no one was able to know LIFE had deliberately withheld this evidence in violation of the Federal courts order.
Only in 1973 when Robert Groden came forward with his clear copy of the famous film did we know of LIFE's contempt for truth, for Garrison and for the Federal courts. The Groden clear copy of the film was stolen directly from the LIFE files and is now available to the public from this writer.
The film convincingly shows the culpability of both LIFE and Dan Rather, and it also indicated the depths of despair the American people now experience because of these men and institutions who have so blatantly violated the sacred right given to them.
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