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Cerebroden

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: Those that complain about Korea |
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so My wife found out today that this will be our last year in Korea.
I see all these threads about what you hate about Korea and what you miss from your home country.
Yeah, she's going to Iraq after here. So for those of you who miss taco seasoning and reese's imagine missing out on a bed with a matresse and running water.
This will be my second year here and it isn't any worse than any city in the states. It has its ups and downs. Once you get used to the driving you'll find that if you act like a korean you get places much easier. Once I figured out the unspoken language of the subway I hardly even notice getting pushed anymore. You think you get ignored? Imagine who its easier to help first? The guy who you can talk to or the random waygook who you're going to have to play sharaids with to actually figure out what they want.
Yeah culture shock happens, usually about the 2-4 month mark. Quit yer cryin and man the hell up. Once you do you'll have a much better time.
(I'm not sure if I'll miss all of korea but it does have its perks.)
Rant over. |
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The Hierophant

Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Cerebroden

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Thanx for the support, we've still got the year to prepare but the more I hear of people complaining about Seoul the more upset I get about not only her future situation but those of people in places like the Sudan and Isreal.
This place is cake. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Well, complaints are often justified. I do not believe in the "well, it's better than Iraq" theory. That's an unnecessary comparison for, well, 99% of us, I'd reckon.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about needing to figure out the unspoken language. A lot of the pushing and general space complaints people make can be avoided by just turning your mind off and going with the flow. Same with the traffic here. Koreans got their own way, like we all do. Just need to figure it out.
About your wife, was she recently called to Iraq due to Bush's 20,000 more troops announcement, or was it always in the works? I have a friend in the military here who is somewhat safe in his cushy ATC position, but he worries about being called to Iraq, though.
Edit: And I would just like to say, well..
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Except for the insurgents obviously, I'll bet the Iraqis are friendlier.
The difference between Iraqis and Koreans is that Iraqis will run away from you because you're holding a gun. Koreans will run away from you because you're holding an English book.  |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| In general, Korea is a frikkin walk in the park (well, a very gray park with a lot of spit on the ground) |
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Cerebroden

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
About your wife, was she recently called to Iraq due to Bush's 20,000 more troops announcement, or was it always in the works? I have a friend in the military here who is somewhat safe in his cushy ATC position, but he worries about being called to Iraq, though. |
not exactly, more along the lines of the sec. army saying, if you haven't been you're going.
B.B. Bell said none stationed in Korea would get deployed to Iraq but the worse things get the larger the chance of that happening so tell your friend he better be in a pretty safe position cuz who knows. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, after four years of Bush Iraq must be quite some place. Lucky you. |
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blynch

Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: UCLA
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Those that complain about Korea |
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| Cerebroden wrote: |
so My wife found out today that this will be our last year in Korea.
I see all these threads about what you hate about Korea and what you miss from your home country.
Yeah, she's going to Iraq after here. So for those of you who miss taco seasoning and reese's imagine missing out on a bed with a matresse and running water.
This will be my second year here and it isn't any worse than any city in the states. It has its ups and downs. Once you get used to the driving you'll find that if you act like a korean you get places much easier. Once I figured out the unspoken language of the subway I hardly even notice getting pushed anymore. You think you get ignored? Imagine who its easier to help first? The guy who you can talk to or the random waygook who you're going to have to play sharaids with to actually figure out what they want.
Yeah culture shock happens, usually about the 2-4 month mark. Quit yer cryin and man the hell up. Once you do you'll have a much better time.
(I'm not sure if I'll miss all of korea but it does have its perks.)
Rant over. |
iheard on the radio, today, that sending more troops to Iraq is having 3 positive affects. one of them is that al qaeda is pulling out of baghdad, the second, i believe, is that one of the more violently militant religious leaders is telling his militia to stand down, hide the weapons. that a religious leader has "his own" militia is disturbing in itself. anyway, i believe that the discussion indicated that al qaeda is responsible (generally)for IEDs aimed at our troops, and that the religious leader targets other iraqis-those not of his "denomination". this may give the iraqi police and legitemate military a chance to get real control of baghdad, and other cities. anywyas ur wife will be safe... good luck. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Michael Ware, the cool CNN reporter, was on Anderson Cooper last week in the studio, and was absolutely disputing all the rhetoric put out by the Iraqi gov't and by Bush et al. It was hilarious. Cooper would ask him a question about a proposed plan and the so-called effect it might have on stabilizing the situation, or about something Cheney said, and Ware would just shake his head and shoot it down, one after the other. Basically, it left the impression that the people on the ground, like Ware, former cmmdr. Abizaid (sic), etc. that don't have a stake in this thing politcally, just say it is an absolute lost cause, and the only solution is a diplomatic, multi-national one, not a military one. As they say, the ship has sailed on a military solution. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| I hope your wife stays safe and returns home to you quickly and safely. |
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blynch

Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: UCLA
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Michael Ware, the cool CNN reporter, was on Anderson Cooper last week in the studio, and was absolutely disputing all the rhetoric put out by the Iraqi gov't and by Bush et al. It was hilarious. Cooper would ask him a question about a proposed plan and the so-called effect it might have on stabilizing the situation, or about something Cheney said, and Ware would just shake his head and shoot it down, one after the other. Basically, it left the impression that the people on the ground, like Ware, former cmmdr. Abizaid (sic), etc. that don't have a stake in this thing politcally, just say it is an absolute lost cause, and the only solution is a diplomatic, multi-national one, not a military one. As they say, the ship has sailed on a military solution. |
i don�t really buy this diplomatic solution. ihate to think of the depopulation that would occur in iraq if we left. recall the examples in recent history of extremists filling a power vacuum in a country or region. the resulting deaths measure in the hundreds of thousands or millions� not to mention poverty, malnutrition, disease, torture. its the responsibility of the american people to ensure that does not happen. we can blame our representatives, but they serve at the pleasure of the people. they are not royalty and did not inherit the office by divine right. we as a people voted our leaders into office, we are ultimately responsible for what happens in iraq |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: |
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The idea is to get on to a diplomatic solution immediately, without pulling troops out immediately. The problem is that as long as America is the central focus, and is refusing to talk to Iran, than you will have an insurgency supported by Iran, Syria and others. Lee Hamilton spoke on it today, and said that not talking to Iran has done absolutely nothing to stop Iran from developing a nuclear program, while assisting the insurgency.
To believe that America can do anything profoundly different militarily that will fix Iraq is a pipe-dream. So now start looking at other solutions, and the Iranians have shown time and time again they want to talk, so what's the harm in talking? America's already caved with the North Koreans, and it's in their interests to talk, before they bankrupt themselves fighting this stupid war that they can't win. |
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blynch

Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Location: UCLA
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
The idea is to get on to a diplomatic solution immediately, without pulling troops out immediately. The problem is that as long as America is the central focus, and is refusing to talk to Iran, than you will have an insurgency supported by Iran, Syria and others. Lee Hamilton spoke on it today, and said that not talking to Iran has done absolutely nothing to stop Iran from developing a nuclear program, while assisting the insurgency.
To believe that America can do anything profoundly different militarily that will fix Iraq is a pipe-dream. So now start looking at other solutions, and the Iranians have shown time and time again they want to talk, so what's the harm in talking? America's already caved with the North Koreans, and it's in their interests to talk, before they bankrupt themselves fighting this stupid war that they can't win. |
good points, blaseblasphemenr. i have different opinions of course but i don't want to argue over spilled milk. we can agree that it is OUR (americans) responsibility to fix the problem. the buck should stop here. wearing the stain of so much innocent blood on our hands is simply not acceptable. not if we consider our country a beacon of hope and democracy to the world. this is how america has seen itself since woodrow wilson's time, and i hope that we haven't given up that vision. it may sound cliche or naive but I don't give a crap if it does, because it is what ibelieve and what we should all believe deep down as a free society.
ive heard that the vast majority of our soldiers (not just the boys but the women as well, mind) over there believe in what we are doing for the iraqi people and ultimately for the future of our own country. listen to them (and not the media). they, more than anyone, should be the ones to judge who is sacrificing what. if our presence were gone tomorrow, would it somehow be more humane since it wouldn't be americans dying? if we pulled out too soon, the REAL slaughter would begin within a month and would not end for years. just because we wouldn't be there to witness the consequences doesn't mean they wouldn't happen. its occurred too often in history to be blind to the results. to think iraq would somehow be an exception is a dangerous game to play. good nite yo!
PS: believing in what America stands for is unrealistic? responsibility is out of touch with reality? leaving too soon and thinking iraq would be a peaceful place is what's unrealistic |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| PS: believing in what America stands for is unrealistic? responsibility is out of touch with reality? leaving too soon and thinking iraq would be a peaceful place is what's unrealistic |
America is going to stay and the war is going to get worse. This has nothing to do with what America stands for, rather, it has to do with Bush's criminal agenda. |
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