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contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

There are things that are more important than tranquility, such as individual rights and personal freedoms for everbody.

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

i think a few days in baghdad or mogadishu would alter your thinking a bit.

Secondly, a big chunk of east asia is tranquil AND has individual rights and personal freedoms.

And hey, if the chinese don't like their lack of rights, it is their responsability to fix it, not us.

gang ah jee · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper

contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

From the 1950 and 60's; better dead than Red

I rather doubt if the Russians would have helped Mao get nukes. Even then the Russians were worried about Chinese claims in such places as Amur river, Mongolia and etc. Besides Chiang Kai Shek was still around with a big army in Taiwan. Properly pressured and done China could have wound up back in the war lord era.

Nukes on Japan just made them humble.

As MacArthur said there is no substitute for victory. Besides the Korean war had UN approval.

gang ah jee · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper

contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

Oooh! Golly gee! He believes FAS! Do you also believe in the tooth fairy and the great pumpkin?

Some interesting figures, if they are substantiated. Very good arguments for both the ABM initiative and for having taken the CHinese Reds out in the 1950's.

One US Boomer Nuclear sub has more capability than does the PRC. They get to park real close to China.

The USSR was the enemy now its Islam and the PRC.

gang ah jee · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper

contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

Who the heck is FAS? Some non governmental study with an axe to grind. By its comments its obviously a left wing source and I generally believe nothing that such sources say.

The most hilarious part of the Fas comment was that the USSR need Uranium. Good heavens man the USSR probably has more than the rest of the world put together.

By the way the Israelis got thier from two sources. Some "borrowed" from the US and the rest from South Africa. South Africa had bombs where dis they go? One story was Israel.

gang ah jee · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

In response to the OP.

Throughout the 50s and 60s South Korea received 12 billion dollars in aid from the US gov't. The population was 20 million at the time, so thats 600 dollars for each man, woman, and child. I sincerely doubt a unified Communist Korea would have received this money.

This money then was funneled by Syngman Rhee and Park Chun Hee to the Cheobols. The Cheobols got exceedingly subsidized loans from the gov't based on performance. The better the performance, the better the growth, the lower the interest rate.

China did persue gaige kaifang under Deng Xiaoping, but that was late, in the 1980s. During the early 1970s, everyone forgets that South Korea was the more destitute of the two nations, despite the aid.

What aid would a unified Korea have gotten? Each Korea received a great amount of aid from their foreign backers. North Korea received a great deal of aid from the Soviets. Perhaps a unified Korea under the communists would have received more, but I doubt South Korea would have received as much. I particularly doubt Kennedy's economic advisors would have been pushing for South Korea to be a 2nd Japan; the light industry centre to match Japan's heavy industry. I sincerely doubt a communist Korea would have matched South Korea's command of semiconductor manufacture in the late 80s.

I have to surmise that a united Korea would have meant a less relevent Korea. And yes, my assumption is that Korea did so well because it had such big backing, North and South. As I said, when the Soviets were strong North Korea was much stronger than it was in the 90s, and far stronger than it is now.

JeJuJitsu · Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Location: McDonald's

Without US aid post-war, a unified Communist Korea would have been economically about the same as Cambodia, as that's what they were equal to before the war. I doubt Communist leadership would have propelled them forward. Vietnam, don't forget, has been given vast amounts of money by China, as their example to the world of "miracle of Communism."

The US built every single road, sewer, and most buildings post-war. All Koreans had to ever pay for themselves since the 50's has been food.