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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Young kids, desperate for approval, being manipulated.
I clicked on the link expecting to get a good chuckle and then come back on here to make a few smart a-- remarks. But now I am just depressed.
There is nothing worse than seeing kids used (succesfully, it seems) as pawns. |
Absolutely. Heartbreaking to watch the little kids.
Bet that the lady would think it was abuse to watch the little one's in the islamic schools rocking back and forth reading from the Koran. Why is that the leadership of these dumbdamentalists groups always seem so dumb, in a low IQ way? Where's the mensa dumbdamentalists? oh yeah, right, I forgot.. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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Jesus was not a pacifist, nor was he meek and mild.
He drove the money changers out of the temple with a whip and then he said this:
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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I looked at most of seoulunitarian's film. Nowhere did I see andy allusion to straping on bomb belts.
What I did see were people with a militaristic view of Christianity who are aslo very angry at the secular nation idea that has been imposed on them. The are doing an extreme version of countering what their children have been getting in the school system. Indoctrination comes from both directions.
It was also nearly pure whitebread America. I expect the short hair, the clean faces and obedient children.
No! They won't be suicide bombers. But they could be a truly formidable miliatry force. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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contrarian, shut the fudge up - you're part of the problem, you rear end in a top hat.
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animalbirdfish
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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contrarian, shut the f*ck up - you're part of the problem, idiot.
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Always a pleasure to see such civil discussion here at Dave's.
I wonder if anyone here has seen any reviews from the evangelical movement in the States. I looked over at IMDB and didn't see much, and I'm curious to know how the film has played with the people it profiles. Fischer - the female pastor in question - was evidently thrilled with the final product. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Ah Gee!
What makes me part of the problem? That I would see these peple in a sympathetc light? |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
Nowhere did I see andy allusion to straping on bomb belts.
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He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 |
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Kenny Kimchee
Joined: 12 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
I wonder if anyone here has seen any reviews from the evangelical movement in the States. I looked over at IMDB and didn't see much, and I'm curious to know how the film has played with the people it profiles. Fischer - the female pastor in question - was evidently thrilled with the final product. |
The pastor of the big evangelical church in Colorado probably wasn't so thrilled with the result
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html
IIRC, the guy cracked a gay joke or two in the movie. Ahh, poetic justice... |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Aw jeez, I Posted While Drunk�. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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The pastor is old news. He richly deserves his penalty and opprrobrium for shear dishonesty. The interesting thing is that he confessed and took his penalty.
I googled "Jesus Camp" and the only thing I came up with was debate over whether the movies was a fair representation. |
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bluelake
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| I don't like that particular brand of Christianity. On the other hand the idea od a "gentle Jesus, meek and mild" is a myth. He himself said: "I come not to bring peace but the sword." |
You don't understand the meaning of the word meek. It does not mean weak, but quite the opposite. Probably, the best explanation for it would be quiet strength. In other words, a meek person is someone who is confident in his/her position and doesn't need to trumpet it all over. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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blue lake:
I know what meek means but most of the gentle jesus types, don't. |
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pdx
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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Nowhere did I see andy allusion to straping on bomb belts.
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He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 |
The main idea in accepting Christ as a savior is giving up your life, as the leader of it, and giving it over to Christ. That quote has nothing to do with strapping on bombs. It has to do with the personal relationship with Christ, not really, physically, giving up your body to martyrdom. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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you know, as a Christian, i think it's pretty ridiculous what they feed these kids in terms of propaganda.
but, I do have to say that at least they aren't asking them to strap on bombs and blow them off in marketplaces, or board jetliners and make them crash into skyscrapers.
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The camp leader says, and I quote, "I want our kids to be willing to lay down their lives for the gospel just like the kids in the Middle East." (11:08 - 11:24)
Peace |
She shouldn't have related Christian martyr's to Islam martyr's without giving an explanation. Oh yeah... she did. So why didn't you include it?
She was trying to relate the willingness of Islam extremists and their desire to die for their goals to what Christian desires should be. She wasn't condoning the action of Islam extremists and how they strap bombs on to kill others, but rather exemplifying their their willingness to die for their ideology. Whereas Christians should follow the nature of Christ and die to our own pursuits and live to the example of Christ. Not to kill others, but to lay down our lives if others want to take them. Quite the opposite, wouldn't you agree?
Our war is not with flesh and blood, but with spiritual weapons....prayer. Look at the lives of all the disciples and see how they all died. They all died by the Romans and the empire by being hung, boiled or eaten alive.
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html |
You are quite creative (read "dishonest with self") when it comes to dealing with language.
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Dishonest? What part of this don't you get?
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html
Christ said that those who want to follow me, needs to deny themselves and pick up their crosses and die daily. This lady and Lou Engle preach the same gospel.
Maybe, you don't agree with this message, but why do you continue to try to misrepresent it? Maybe you should do some soul searching, eh?  |
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| Maybe, you don't agree with this message, but why do you continue to try to misrepresent it? Maybe you should do some soul searching, eh? |
The beauty of Christianity, or Islam, or...(insert your religion here) is that your holy scripture can be interpreted in any way your twisted mind can come up with. Then you can start your own denomination!!! Then, of course, everyone else is wrong and YOU alone have been given the revelation of the truth! What was the meaning of the gospel message? Walk into 20 churches and you'll get 20 different interpretations. If there is a God who is so keen to communicate truth to his people, as portrayed by Christianity, it seems he would do a much better job in expressing his opinions.
I really don't fear the Christian right's political power long-term in the future, because I don't think they can come together. They are usually too busy fighting each other and dividing into petty factions. |
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