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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
Thanks for the what, too bad you can't establish the why. Where were you edumacated again? |
Thankfully not where you were indoctrinated. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| Even if the US had prevented the world from being taken over by facists, communists, various empires/tribes (the spanish, germans, japanese) in the most perfect way... we'd still be hated. |
Well, yes, we would still be hated, but there'd be less reason to hang all that hatred on, wouldn't there? It would be easier, in the cold hard logic of reality, to refute.
And by the way, you don't have to remind about the Cold War -- I was a soldier in it, and I have the medal to prove it. That doesn't mean I agree with every foreign policy decision I was compelled to enforce. I do believe the ideals behind that war were just, but I have to take issue (many of them, in fact) with the means.
To further our own ends (not freedom, but profit), we got into bed with some really ugly governments. To claim an inability to understand why the "beneficiaries" of that policy hate us today is at least ignorant, but more to the point, disingenuous. That we saved Europe from Hitler does not ameliorate the fact we condemed Latin America to tyranny. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Can you explain then why America is more popular in Vietnam than in South Korea?
We are destined to be damned if we do damned if we don't. Sort of like how children feel about parents.....or teenagers about cops. It's just the role America has to play.
And to think that things done during the Cold War are contributing to feelings today...Hogwash.
How many of us are anti-Russian for the monstrosities orchestrated from the Kremlin during the Soviet Era?
And by the way, I honor your service. Seriously. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
Thanks for the what, too bad you can't establish the why. Where were you edumacated again? |
actually I'm more curious where daskalos received his education. His posts are always very articulate and enjoyable to read.
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| Can you explain then why America is more popular in Vietnam than in South Korea? |
Because we don't have us bases in Vietnam? Because we stayed away from Vietnam for 20+ years, and then when we restored connections, it was strictly diplomatic and business (although that is changing now)? Because the Vietnamese are fully aware of the big giant on their northern border and realize the USA could be beneficial?
I also think South Koreans are naive. I don't think it has dawned on them how potentially dangerous north korea could be, or fully perceive the ever increasing influence the PRC has in East Asia. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you explain then why America is more popular in Vietnam than in South Korea? |
Because we don't have us bases in Vietnam? Because we stayed away from Vietnam for 20+ years, and then when we restored connections, it was strictly diplomatic and business (although that is changing now)? Because the Vietnamese are fully aware of the big giant on their northern border and realize the USA could be beneficial. |
I'd add that since the Vietnamese Communist Party has a very secure grip on power there is no political advantage to be gained from running regular hate-week style propaganda campaigns against Vietnam's most recent antagonists China and the US.
Also, they won the war - the majority of Vietnamese people got what they wanted, which was a unified, independent country. Both Koreas lost the Korean war, and they're still very upset about it. Thus, in my opinion, the US is scapegoated for preventing Koreans - any Koreans - from actually winning a war against themselves. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah, that is a good point as well. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Can you explain then why America is more popular in Vietnam than in South Korea?
We are destined to be damned if we do damned if we don't. Sort of like how children feel about parents.....or teenagers about cops. It's just the role America has to play.
And to think that things done during the Cold War are contributing to feelings today...Hogwash.
How many of us are anti-Russian for the monstrosities orchestrated from the Kremlin during the Soviet Era?
And by the way, I honor your service. Seriously. |
How about soft power as opposed to hard power? How many basic concepts of international relations do you belicose neo-morons have to ignore in your chest-beating screeds before you fall flat on your stupid, sanctamonious faces? |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Um... all of them? |
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