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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| No, I do, actually. |
Provide evidence. By your acts... |
Dude, calm the *beep* down. I was just egging on dd, who likes to ramble on about the truth of humanity and such. Jesus, way to burn a thread. You all take this stuff so seriously. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Woland wrote: |
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| No, I do, actually. |
Provide evidence. By your acts... |
Dude, calm the *beep* down. I was just egging on dd, who likes to ramble on about the truth of humanity and such. Jesus, way to burn a thread. You all take this stuff so seriously. |
 I'm the calmest man you'll ever meet. Physician, heal thyself. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Well, thanks for postmodern philosophy 101 anyhow. The best lil' ditty on the matter that I've come across is Postmodernity and its Discontents btw.
Anyhow, back to the OP.
Here is some evidence of that racism in action.
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A supply teacher has been sacked from a secondary school following complaints from Muslim pupils.
Andrew McLuskey was sacked from Bayliss Court Secondary School in Slough after a Religious Education lesson discussing the pros and cons of religion.
Pupils at the predominantly Muslim school claimed Mr McLuskey said most suicide bombers were Muslim.
But he rejected the allegation and said the school was too quick to sack him without giving him right of reply.
"Very unjust"
He expected to complete an eight week contract at the school - but was sacked after only several days.
Ray Hinds.
Deputy head teacher Ray Hinds says the pupils were very upset
"I feel it's very unjust," he said.
"I think I should've been given the chance to respond to the allegations and not in effect be ejected from a job without the chance to defend myself."
The school authorities denied they were being heavy-handed and said their first priority was pupils' welfare.
"I don't think it's important what I think," said the school's deputy head teacher Ray Hinds.
"It's what the pupils think that were in the classroom at the time. And they were very upset." |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6326277.stm
But, the Jews are back in the historical position of 'Canary in the well' in terms of racism.
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Attacks on Jews reached their highest level for more than two decades last year, an authoritative research report said Thursday.
There were nearly 600 anti-Semitic assaults, incidents of vandalism, cases of abuse and threats made against Jewish individuals and institutions, it found. The number of attacks was up by nearly a third on 2005.
A wave of incidents came in the summer as incidents were either inspired by Israel's attack on Hizbollah in Lebanon or the war was used as an excuse by their perpetrators.
The figures produced by the Community Security Trust, a charity that gives security advice to Jewish organisations, showed a worrying new trend of greater numbers of attacks generated by members of other ethnic minorities.
White attackers were responsible for anti-Semitic incidents in fewer than half of those where the colour or racial background of the perpetrator was identified. More than a third, 37 per cent, of attackers whose background was known were Asian or Arab. |
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk
37%. Well, that is proportionate to their population, isn't it. Talking about "racism" against mulims sure is rich. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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At least this guy agrees with the OP.
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THE arrest of nine terrorist suspects in Birmingham proves Muslims in Britain are being "persecuted" like Jews in Nazi Germany, an Islamic community leader has claimed.
Dr Mohammad Naseem, chairman of Birmingham Central Mosque, said Britain was becoming a police state and said the government was picking on the Muslim community to pursue political goals.
His remarks came as West Midlands Police investigating an alleged kidnap plot began questioning the men held under the Terrorism Act. |
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=180622007 |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Hummus will wipe out all memory of the Magna Carta!
LOCK THE PORTS UP! |
You should read this article from Spiegel Online. I think they describe very well why this is a real problem, and one that is only going to get worse.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,druck-462149,00.html
It is quite long, so I'll post a sample.
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The controversy over the 12 Muhammad cartoons that were published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September 2005 and led to worldwide protests and unrest among Muslims was merely a taste of what is to come, a dress rehearsal for the kinds of disputes Europe can expect to face in the future if it does not rethink its current policy of appeasement. As was the case in the 1930s, when Czechoslovakia was sacrificed in the interest of peace under the Munich Agreement -- a move that ultimately did nothing to prevent World War II -- Europeans today also believe that an adversary, seemingly invincible due to a preference for death over life, can be mollified by good behavior, concessions and submission. All the Europeans can hope to gain in this asymmetric conflict is a temporary reprieve, a honeymoon period that could last 10, 20, or maybe even 50 years. Anyone on death row breathes a sigh of relief when his execution is postponed to some indefinite time in the future.
The uproar over the Muhammad cartoons was symptomatic precisely because what triggered it was so insignificant. The drawings themselves were unbelievably harmless.
Freedom of expression in conformity with Shariah
It took two weeks for "spontaneous" protests to begin. On Oct. 14, 2005, 3,000 Muslims staged a demonstration on Copenhagen's town hall square after Friday prayers. In a letter to Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, ambassadors from 11 Islamic countries demanded that he take the "necessary steps" to avert an abuse of Islam. Rasmussen responded that it was not his responsibility to discipline journalists, and he refused to schedule a meeting with the irate ambassadors. The Egyptian foreign minister got the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) involved soon after. The OIC had already made clear what it wanted in its "Declaration of Human Rights in Islam" in 1990: "All have the right to freely express their opinions in a manner that does not run counter to Shariah law." In essence, what the OIC wanted was to compel Western nations to bring their form of freedom of expression into conformity with Shariah law.
Objectively speaking, the cartoon controversy was a tempest in a teacup. But subjectively it was a show of strength and, in the context of the "clash of civilizations," a dress rehearsal for the real thing. The Muslims demonstrated how quickly and effectively they can mobilize the masses, and the free West showed that it has nothing to counter the offensive -- nothing but fear, cowardice and an overriding concern about the balance of trade. Now the Islamists know that they are dealing with a paper tiger whose roar is nothing but a tape recording.
As different as the West's reactions to the Muslim protests were, what they had in common were origins in feelings of powerlessness and helplessness. Critical souls who only yesterday agreed with Marx that religion is the opium of the masses suddenly insisted that religious sensibilities must be taken into account, especially when accompanied by violence. The representatives of open societies reacted like the inhabitants of an island about to be hit by a hurricane. Powerless against the forces of nature, they stocked up on supplies, nailed doors and windows shut and hoped that the storm would soon pass. Of course, whereas such a reaction may be an appropriate response to natural disasters, such a lack of resistance merely encourages fundamentalists. It completely justifies their view of the West as weak, decadent and completely unwilling to defend itself.
Should the age of consent be 12?
Those who react to kidnappings and beheadings, to massacres of people of other faiths, and to eruptions of collective hysteria with a call for "cultural dialogue" don't deserve any better.
"The West should desist from engaging in all provocations that produce feelings of debasement and humiliation," says psychoanalyst Horst-Eberhard Richter. "We should show greater respect for the cultural identity of Muslim countries. ... For Muslims, it is important to be recognized and respected as equals." In Richter's view, what the Muslims need is "a partnership of equals."
But Richter neglects to describe what this partnership might look like. Does achieving such equality mean that we should set up separate sections for women on buses, as is the custom in Saudi Arabia? Should the marrying age for girls be reduced to 12, as is the case in Iran? And should death by stoning be our punishment for adultery, as Shariah law demands? What else could the West do to show its respect for the cultural identity of Islamic countries? Would it be sufficient to allow Horst-Eberhard Richter to decide whether, for example, a wet T-shirt contest in a German city rises to a level of criminal provocation that could cause the Muslim faithful in Hyderabad to feel debased and humiliated?
The discussion over which provocations WE should put an end to so that THEY do not feel upset inexorably leads to the realm of the absurd.
Should devout Jews be entitled to demand that non-Jews give up pork? And should they have the power to impose sanctions if their demands are not met? Can a Hindu in India run amok because the Dutch do not view cows as sacred beings? Those who believe Muslims have the right to be outraged by the Danes failing to abide by an Islamic prohibition -- especially when it's not even clear that such a prohibition even exists -- must answer such questions clearly in the affirmative. Even illiterates must then be allowed to ransack bookstores; in a world in which anyone is entitled to feel offended and humiliated, anyone can also choose which provocations he is unwilling to accept.
All the events of last spring are only a foretaste of something much bigger, something still unnamed. And when it ends, those who have managed to escape will ask themselves: Why didn't we see the handwriting on the wall when there was still time? If Muslim protests against a few harmless cartoons can cause the free world to capitulate in the face of violence, how will this free world react to something that is truly relevant? It is already difficult enough to see that Israel is not merely battling a few militants, but is facing a serious threat to its very existence from Iran. All too often it is ignored that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has already taken the first step by calling for "a world without Zionism" -- a call that pro-Israel Europeans only managed to condemn with a mild, "unacceptable." How would they react if Iran were in a position to back up its threats with nuclear weapons? |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| ahh the glories of being able to freely express myself as long as it does not run counter to sharia law....oh the wonder's which god has brought to us through this religion that I don't have to have forced upon me because I live in Korea |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ahh the glories of being able to freely express myself as long as it does not run counter to sharia law....oh the wonder's which god has brought to us through this religion that I don't have to have forced upon me because I live in Korea |
If Big Bird has a daughter I hooe she marries a muslim. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| I hope the best for BB's kid....What would be a real concern though would be if you had a homosexual child stuck in a Muslim land...then what do you ?? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| there is plenty of gay sex going on in the middle east. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Remember, I'm the hate-mongerer for my opinions...
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An Islamic school is poisoning the minds of pupils with lessons in hate, a former teacher claims.
Colin Cook, 57, says textbooks used by children as young as five at the King Fahad Academy in Acton describe Jews as "repugnant" and "apes" and Christians as "pigs".
Pupils have allegedly been heard saying they want to "kill Americans", praising 9/11 and idolising Osama bin Laden as their "hero".
There are fears that it could become a breeding ground for terrorists with Mr Cook warning: "The school could produce a dangerous harvest."
Its sister school of the same name in Bonn has been singled out by the German intelligence services as a meeting place for activists linked to terrorism.
Mr Cook, a Muslim convert, taught English at the school for 19 years until he was sacked in December last year.
He claims he was fired after blowing the whistle on the school for covering up cheating by children in GCSE exams and is bringing a tribunal claim for unfair dismissal, race discrimination and victimisation.
He also alleges that when he complained to school management about the content of the curriculum and questioned whether it complied with British laws, he was told: "This is not England. It is Saudi Arabia".
He said that the school was "very good" until the majority of British teachers left in 2005. He said: "Since then, there has been a move towards a pro-Saudi agenda.
"It is clearly racist and very divisive. I understand now why the pupils express anti-Western views at school. It is deeply immoral to put such ideas into the heads of young children.
Mr Cook's solicitor Lawrence Davies said: "Faith schools are legitimate but they must not be used to propagate a racist agenda. Every faith school must be properly inspected. And those that promote the terrorist mindset must be called to account."
In the past, parents have claimed that the school is teaching British children fundamentalist Islam while giving girls an inferior education.
Ofsted, which inspected the school in March 2006, made a series of criticisms of its performance and refused to give it full registration as an independent school.
It warned that while the quality of teaching was good, there had been "major changes in staffing" which led to disruption, and told the school to improve the curriculum.
In papers submitted to Watford employment tribunal, Mr Cook says that most of the school's teachers are Saudis who speak little or no English.
Mr Cook's lessons formed part of a British curriculum while a second Saudi curriculum was taught in Arabic. Mr Cooks claims that textbooks used on the Saudi curriculum, which are published by the Saudi government's ministry of education, prove that the academy "is institutionally racist".
He said: "The textbooks apparently state that the Jews are cursed. Pupils are asked to ' mention some repugnant characteristics of Jews'."
Mr Cook said pupils are taught that religions including Christianity and Judaism are "worthless". He said: "The teachers on the Saudi curriculum presumably either endorse this racist viewpoint or teach it without complaint."
Mr Cook claims he was sacked after he reported pupils cheating to exams board Edexcel. He said that staff allowed pupils to refer to their own, heavily annotated course books during an English language GCSE exam.
He said: "The Academy knows that cheating occurred. The boys who did cheat and those who probably cheated were not investigated or sanctioned.� Mr Cook was fired in December after being accused of gross misconduct.
He said: "It was unlawful to sack me for whistle-blowing in these circumstances. A Saudi national would not have been treated in this adverse manner." |
Some kids in this school are as young as 5 years old, and are being taught an explicitly racist curriculum. Adolf Hitler is smiling in his grave at how well his ideological cousins are infiltrating our society.
So, just to recap. Muslims say horrible and violent things about kuffar. Me, and others around the world criticize the muslims, sometimes very harshly, for their faith. Lefty types call me and others like me "racists" and yet haven't the first word of concern about the real racists/nazi/right wing religious types in our nations.
This is the end result of our cultural self-hate. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| I hope the best for BB's kid....What would be a real concern though would be if you had a homosexual child stuck in a Muslim land...then what do you ?? |
I hope BB's kid gets the full taste of sharia law. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Remember, I'm the hate-mongerer for my opinions...
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An Islamic school is poisoning the minds of pupils with lessons in hate, a former teacher claims.
Colin Cook, 57, says textbooks used by children as young as five at the King Fahad Academy in Acton describe Jews as "repugnant" and "apes" and Christians as "pigs".
Pupils have allegedly been heard saying they want to "kill Americans", praising 9/11 and idolising Osama bin Laden as their "hero".
There are fears that it could become a breeding ground for terrorists with Mr Cook warning: "The school could produce a dangerous harvest."
Its sister school of the same name in Bonn has been singled out by the German intelligence services as a meeting place for activists linked to terrorism.
Mr Cook, a Muslim convert, taught English at the school for 19 years until he was sacked in December last year.
He claims he was fired after blowing the whistle on the school for covering up cheating by children in GCSE exams and is bringing a tribunal claim for unfair dismissal, race discrimination and victimisation.
He also alleges that when he complained to school management about the content of the curriculum and questioned whether it complied with British laws, he was told: "This is not England. It is Saudi Arabia".
He said that the school was "very good" until the majority of British teachers left in 2005. He said: "Since then, there has been a move towards a pro-Saudi agenda.
"It is clearly racist and very divisive. I understand now why the pupils express anti-Western views at school. It is deeply immoral to put such ideas into the heads of young children.
Mr Cook's solicitor Lawrence Davies said: "Faith schools are legitimate but they must not be used to propagate a racist agenda. Every faith school must be properly inspected. And those that promote the terrorist mindset must be called to account."
In the past, parents have claimed that the school is teaching British children fundamentalist Islam while giving girls an inferior education.
Ofsted, which inspected the school in March 2006, made a series of criticisms of its performance and refused to give it full registration as an independent school.
It warned that while the quality of teaching was good, there had been "major changes in staffing" which led to disruption, and told the school to improve the curriculum.
In papers submitted to Watford employment tribunal, Mr Cook says that most of the school's teachers are Saudis who speak little or no English.
Mr Cook's lessons formed part of a British curriculum while a second Saudi curriculum was taught in Arabic. Mr Cooks claims that textbooks used on the Saudi curriculum, which are published by the Saudi government's ministry of education, prove that the academy "is institutionally racist".
He said: "The textbooks apparently state that the Jews are cursed. Pupils are asked to ' mention some repugnant characteristics of Jews'."
Mr Cook said pupils are taught that religions including Christianity and Judaism are "worthless". He said: "The teachers on the Saudi curriculum presumably either endorse this racist viewpoint or teach it without complaint."
Mr Cook claims he was sacked after he reported pupils cheating to exams board Edexcel. He said that staff allowed pupils to refer to their own, heavily annotated course books during an English language GCSE exam.
He said: "The Academy knows that cheating occurred. The boys who did cheat and those who probably cheated were not investigated or sanctioned.� Mr Cook was fired in December after being accused of gross misconduct.
He said: "It was unlawful to sack me for whistle-blowing in these circumstances. A Saudi national would not have been treated in this adverse manner." |
Some kids in this school are as young as 5 years old, and are being taught an explicitly racist curriculum. Adolf Hitler is smiling in his grave at how well his ideological cousins are infiltrating our society.
So, just to recap. Muslims say horrible and violent things about kuffar. Me, and others around the world criticize the muslims, sometimes very harshly, for their faith. Lefty types call me and others like me "racists" and yet haven't the first word of concern about the real racists/nazi/right wing religious types in our nations.
This is the end result of our cultural self-hate. |
The problem is that you tend to slur all muslims, and not acknowledge that the problem is with some muslims. If you tar all muslims with the same brush, then you risk alienating all muslims. The tensions and problems between us all then become far worse. I know muslims who are also concerned about these kind of issues, but they are regularly treated as if they too were part of the problem. It's unfair and unhelpful. Whether we like it or not, muslims are now an integral part of our society. We have to find ways of working with them, and keeping them in the fold. All I see these days, is the opposite. Which is not good for anybody. |
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ddeubel
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Some kids in this school are as young as 5 years old, and are being taught an explicitly racist curriculum. Adolf Hitler is smiling in his grave at how well his ideological cousins are infiltrating our society.
So, just to recap. Muslims say horrible and violent things about kuffar. Me, and others around the world criticize the muslims, sometimes very harshly, for their faith. Lefty types call me and others like me "racists" and yet haven't the first word of concern about the real racists/nazi/right wing religious types in our nations.
This is the end result of our cultural self-hate. |
I'd like to go on record about a couple of things.
1. I labeled you a hatemonger because of your gross and sweeping statements about a religion IN TOTAL. I do agree there are things within that religion that need to be addressed but not across the board and certainly not without taking into consideration the diversity of the Muslim faith and the multitude of cultures and cultural adaptations presented. You have never done neither.
Regarding this article. Please post the source.
I taught several years in a school in a mixed Korean/Iranian neighbourhood. ESL. Grade 7-8. (North York, Toronto if interested). Half my students were Korean , half Iranian (besides a smattering of other cultures). I had the kids read Hana's suitcase, a great book about a young Jewish girl/family. We watched the documentary afterwards. As part of this, we had lots of discussions about Jewish culture etc.......I didn't find at all, any semblance that the Iranian kids were anything but very aware of Jewish culture (for their age) and sensitive to other cultures. But your prattling on, seems to give the impression that all Muslims are anti-semites to the nth degree. My own experiences tell me otherwise and though there are extremists / racists that are Muslim, so to in our own culture.
2. I do scream about the nazi, right wing, racists. But that isn't where my real concern lays. It is more focused on the wolf in sheep's clothing and the institutionalized forms of bigotry in so many pretentious colours. Your flavour is one of them.
I would also add, isn't it funny -- how Saudi Arabia, America's biggest ally, is also one of the countries treated as "sancrosanct" by the American government. As so many astute commentators have said, by Bush's own standards, we should have invaded Saudi Arabia and not be concerned with Iraq or least of all, Iran.
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thepeel
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No, I "slur" islam. Because islam is as healthy an ideology as is nazism. Individual muslims, those poor slaves to the horrific idea, just get caught in the crossfire. Pretending that islam isn't the heart of the problem does not help us achieve anything at all. Muslms need to be prevented from entering our societies in the same way that we should not let neo-nazi's from Germany immigrate to Canada/USA/UK. A "moderate" follower of hitler is still a follower of hitler. I don't discriminate on the basis of race/ethnicity/gender/sexuality but I feel very comfortable discriminating based upon ideas.
Muslims who oppose their racist crap need to take care of their own house. Our job is to not egg them on by invading their nations and stealing/breaking their stuff. But it isn't our job to give them a new set of countries for screw up.
I do not accept that they are entitled to immigrate and I do not accept that citizenship isn't revocable and people cannot be sent back to their homelands. If a German moves to Canada and starts spouting crap about the Jews, well, send that pig back to Germany. The same goes for a Pakistani member of the "religion of peace". Our increasingly tolerant and secular society must not tolerate their intolerance. If you want to be a backwards hate filled douchbag, then move to Saudi. They are not welcome in the West. This will not change. In fact, every day more and more people move solidly into my camp. Several years ago, before 9/11, advocating for an end to islamic immigration sure made me isolated. Not any more.
We cannot risk everything that has been built (the "death of god" was hard to accomplish) just because we want "diversity". |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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1. I labeled you a hatemonger because of your gross and sweeping statements about a religion IN TOTAL. I do agree there are things within that religion that need to be addressed but not across the board and certainly not without taking into consideration the diversity of the Muslim faith and the multitude of cultures and cultural adaptations presented. You have never done neither.
Regarding this article. Please post the source. |
The problem IS the religion. Full stop. Islam is defined by the difference drawn between the kuffar (us) and the 'believers'. If they reject this, then fine. They are neither muslim or a problem. Just like my family, who don't attend church, pray or care about JC are not really Christian. They don't believe it. But muslims who believe, sum-total, are a very scary bunch because exactly what they believe is equivalent to nazi ideology. This cannot be denied. The koran is clear. Sit down and give it a read. Either you will convert to islam or your will convert to the anti-hate chuch of BJWD. It will be damn impossible to be in the middle.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=433867&in_page_id=1770 |
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