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plutodog18

Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Tell Me About Woderland in Seoul |
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Have been made an offer to work at Wonderland in Seoul......
Any information about Wonderland????????????
I did speak with an ESL teacher who has worked there for 18 months. He is from Australia...great guy. Says he loves this place and could not imagine working anywhere else (has been in Korea for almost 3 years and has worked other places).
I understand the hours can be long, so what would be a fair salary for such a place?????
So is Wonderland any good???? Any horror stories????
Thank you for any help............. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Tell Me About Woderland in Seoul |
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plutodog18 wrote: |
Any information about Wonderland??? |
Use the search function. Let your fingers do the walking.
You'll find hundreds of posts telling you to stay away from them.
Use google. Same thing. |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Run very fast in the opposite direction.
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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yada yada yada.
blah blah blah.
Two posts with absolutely nothing to say. Any school in Korea has potential to be good. Some will be great, some crap. The name on the school does not make it evil.
I've worked at two different Wonderlands. My first one was great. I loved it and they loved having me. My second one is ok except for the supervisor.
The best advice for anyone looking at a school...Wonderland, GnB, whatever, talk to the current teachers and get their take. Talk to more than one. Do your homework on that school. The reputation of the chain is irrelevant if the school is good.
Yes, Wonderland does have a terrible reputation. But I've met probably 50 teachers from Wonderlands and only 2 have every complained about getting screwed. And those two, after I found out more about their situation, probably had it coming to them for the stunts they were pulling at their school.
Ignore the people who tell you to run away quickly from Wonderland. They are probably ignorant to what is actually going on and just trying to scare people away. They probably have no first-hand experience. If they do have first-hand experience, then listen to them. But ignore most of them.
TALK TO THE CURRENT TEACHERS THERE AND DO YOUR RESEARCH ABOUT THAT BRANCH!!!!
That is the only advice you need to know when looking at any school.
Thanks.
KPRROK
PS - No, I'm not a Wonderland recruiter or anything. Just a teacher. |
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plutodog18

Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Specifically it is Dongjak Wonderland............
OK but what is so bad about all of these places????? |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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ilovebdt wrote: |
Run very fast in the opposite direction.
ilovebdt |
Ok, to try to be more helpful.
Did you talk to this guy who lo0ves his job during work hours or out of work hours?
If it was during work hours then his boss may have been standing over him while he was on the phone so he couldn't say what he really thought.
Also ask lots of questions!!! Admittedly, I know of one person who had a good time at a Wonderland school, but I know more who haven't had a good time.
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry, if you don't like your boss, you can just beat the christ out of him. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Location: KC
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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ilovebdt wrote: |
Did you talk to this guy who lo0ves his job during work hours or out of work hours?
If it was during work hours then his boss may have been standing over him while he was on the phone so he couldn't say what he really thought.
Also ask lots of questions!!!
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Now that is a good point. I forgot to mention that. Make sure you talk to them either when they're not at work, or when the boss is not standing there. You will be able to get better answers that way.
Also, try to use e-mail if you worry. Or messenger when the teacher is at home.
I worry when a teacher gives nothing but good info. Whenever I talk to teachers, I am always completely honest and tell them the good and the bad parts. If the teacher isn't telling anything bad, it's gonna be raising alarm bells.
Just do your research and you will be fine.
About that particular school, I don't know anything. But that's not a good or bad thing.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is you need to talk to the teacher when the boss isn't around. You never know that teacher may be protecting his own *** to get his severence. Now I don't know where he was when he was talking to you, but I'd make sure to get a private conversation with him via either email or when he's at home. We hear enough stories on here about bosses listening into conversations like that it's worth it to make sure this guy isn't being pressued.
Just a suggestion. I would definately do more research then you have. |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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plutodog18 wrote: |
Specifically it is Dongjak Wonderland............
OK but what is so bad about all of these places????? |
From what I have heard you do long hours and low pay.
Even if you don't work on Saturday you may be asked to come in as my friends were and help with a "science fair".
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kprrok
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, there will probably be some Saturday work. I've probably averaged maybe 5 Saturdays per year for various events...Sports Days, Summer Camp, Graduation, etc.
The hours and pay will depend on your contract. Don't settle for the standard contract. Edit it and make it more beneficial to you. I did that and it has helped. Also, spell out that Saturdays are paid, and also get your vacations to be more clearly defined.
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Merlyn
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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My first job here 5 years ago was at Suji Wonderland and it was also the worst teaching experience I've had in Korea. Basically working from 9-6 each day with an hour break for lunch. Kids in the morning, older kids in the afternoons. Your day should end at 6 but after 6 you're seemingly making schedules for everyday,every week and every month and if you're not doing that you're doing meaningless phone teaching or constantly filling out what seems to be an endless number of meaningless report cards. Add to that, breaks between every class are not really breaks because the time is needed to prepare supplements for the following classes. This all leads to poor class effort on your part, and of course management is usually unwillingly to solve classroom problems you might have. Of course your employer will probably sit in the computer room all day spying on you and the other teachers with the cameras he's installed in every classroom which he says are for parental use. A terrible place to work. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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kprrok wrote: |
Two posts with absolutely nothing to say. Any school in Korea has potential to be good. Some will be great, some crap. The name on the school does not make it evil. |
Which is why I suggested using SEARCH and GOOGLE. I mean, seriously, how much more do we have to say about the place (gooc or bad) that hasn't been said already dozens of times.
There is a SEARCH function. Use the damn thing. |
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plutodog18

Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Admittedly, I did speak with the ESL teacher at work.......
Also I did use the search and find function and have read other posts.....
Still I was hoping to get specific information about this specific place Dongjak Wonderland........
By the way anyone know this area of Seoul at all.....any comments????? |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wonderland has beat out some very fierce competition to win the reputation as the worst English educational institute in Korea. This one branch may be unusual, or the current teacher may be BSing you for a variety of reasons, such as wanting to find a replacement so that he can get out. Ask him if the kids use 'banmal' or 'jondaemal' when speaking to him in Korean. Ask him how many times he's been ddong-chimmed. You may find out that he likes it because he likes goofing around with kids and being treated like a mascot. Is that what you want? If so Wonderland might be for you. Circumstances at such institutions can also change in a heartbeat. Finally, if any foreigner working in Korea sees Wonderland on your CV that year is going to count for almost nothing if he has any say in any future job you may wish to get here. |
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