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"jog" and "log" don't rhyme
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: "jog" and "log" don't rhyme Reply with quote

I'm very certain these two words don't rhyme yet they are all listed in all the phonics books as doing so. They look like they should rhyme but the "o" in jog sounds like "j-ah-g" or the short "a". Why not use ""fog" or "hog"?
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They rhyme for me. Different regions will pronounce the words differently.
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Riddzy



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: London

PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They rhyme where I'm from (New Zealand and England).

Try pronouncing it in the Queen's English.
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rhyme for me as well. Canada here
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goodgood



Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northeast USA, sounds like a rhyme from to my ears.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too.

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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh...people from Uranus speak funny.

!shoosh,

Ryst
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moment of bizarreness - I agree with Dulouz about something! Shocked

People are right, though, about pointing out dialectal differences as the source of confusion here.

I'd also just point out the limits of using phonics in teaching English. There's a lot of exceptions to those rules (which suggests that they aren't rules).
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seattle, they are the same to me.
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same to me and I lived all over the North American west coast.
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA / OR / MA
The rhyme to me just fine.

Now "porridge," "storage," and "orange"? Not quite.
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Boodleheimer



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a representative from the fine state of Virginia says they rhyme.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like I may have Merriam Webster on my side.

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<<How can "dog" fail to rhyme with "jog"? They both have the same sound like that of "cot" in them. I don't see how cot-caught merging comes into it. Caught has a longer vowel sound than cot in standard British English that is quite unlike dog or jog.>>

But in the context of North American English, cot-caught merging does come into it. That's because North American English has undergone the so-called lot-cloth split, in which certain words that used to have the vowel of "cot" shift so that they have the vowel of "caught". Generally in North American English, this split affected the word "dog" but not the word "jog". Compare http://m-w.com/dictionary/dog with http://m-w.com/dictionary/jog : converting into X-SAMPA phonetic script, the Merriam-Webster dictionary lists [dOg] as the primary pronunciation of "dog" but [dZAg] as the primary pronunciation for "jog". This is analogous to how, for many speakers of British English, the words "pass" and "mass" don't rhyme.



http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t2545-0.htm
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Boodleheimer



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the vowel in "jog" sounds like the vowel in "cloth" to you?

my virginian might be influenced by my welsh boyfriend.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: dog, jog Reply with quote

Well I think you have answered your own question then. According to the Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries, the phonetic guide has the vowel sound listed the same. (Actually, even though they have the US pronunciation listed differently then the British, in the phonetics guide for US pronunciation, jog and dog do rhyme) And personally, I would choose British English over US English.
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