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rawiri
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 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: The Gyonngido push. |
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| I had an interesting conversation with my supervisor today. She said that Gyonngido are really pushing next semester to have a foreign teacher in every school. They won't get anywhere near close but something struck me as odd about their reasoning, they are willing to just take anyone, throw them anywhere and see what happens, it's like some freakish kind of experiment. Gone are the days of more "status" coming from teaching at public schools for foreigners, a lot of the education boards are taking on the hagwon warm body approach. |
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rvintage
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| "status" for who, dude? You have been and always will be a warm body, just like in the hagwons... |
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rawiri
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Hence the quotation marks.
I wouldn't regard what i do in my schools anywhere near warm body status, i plan my own lessons, teach them myself and am basically left alone to do as i please. |
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xCustomx
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| I'll be working at a public school which has never had a foreign teacher, so it'll be interesting to see how it works out. I've had several job offers without even interviewing really. I think if you have a years experience teaching in a hagwon you shouldn't have any problems with finding a job in Gyeonggido. I lucked out and found a place relatively close to my house. |
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rawiri
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Thats my point, you don't need any experience for gyonngido, they are hell bent on filling their schools with foreigners so are willing to take any and everybody. I don't want to sound like a *beep* but i'm going to be pretty involved in whoever it is thats coming in to replace me. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Gone are the days of more "status" coming from teaching at public schools for foreigners, a lot of the education boards are taking on the hagwon warm body approach. |
The 'status' was in the eyes of the teachers, not the schools. Typically, Korean bosses believe ANYONE can teach and get upset when it turns out not to be true, but not upset enough to change their original attitude. |
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Sash
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| So that's what's going on! |
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rawiri
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Well you can understand hagwon wongjangnim's attitudes towards anyone being able to teach but this is a regional government education department taking the same approach. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Is there a website just for Gyeonggi? Or do they do their hiring through EPIK? Do you know when hiring begins for the fall semester?
cheers |
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ttompatz
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antoniothegreat
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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i heard (a while ago) that david quit and there is someone else there. what's the deal? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| but this is a regional government education department taking the same approach. |
Educational philosophy is quite different here (to state the obvious). It isn't only that everyone can teach but also that a student who performs poorly has no one to blame but himself. That's why it was (and is) common to beat students who get a low score. They didn't study hard enough. This justifies ignoring weak students. If they are not going to try, why bother with them?
About status: you've probably noticed that Koreans resist calling hakwon teachers teachers; they usually call them instructors. They seem to be making a distinction between holders of Korean teaching certificates, holders of teaching certificates from everywhere else and holders of a diploma but no teaching certificate. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Gone are the days of more "status" coming from teaching at public schools for foreigners, a lot of the education boards are taking on the hagwon warm body approach. |
The 'status' was in the eyes of the teachers, not the schools. Typically, Korean bosses believe ANYONE can teach and get upset when it turns out not to be true, but not upset enough to change their original attitude. |
Maybe that's true where you live but I've definitely noticed a positive change in parents' attitudes now that I work in a public school as opposed to a hakwon. The respect factor has been clearly upped. Then again I take my job seriously and dress the part. Nor am I the only one to have noticed this.
Same with the students. At a hakwon you don't get bowed to and handed stuff with two hands. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Gone are the days of more "status" coming from teaching at public schools for foreigners, a lot of the education boards are taking on the hagwon warm body approach. |
The 'status' was in the eyes of the teachers, not the schools. Typically, Korean bosses believe ANYONE can teach and get upset when it turns out not to be true, but not upset enough to change their original attitude. |
Maybe that's true where you live but I've definitely noticed a positive change in parents' attitudes now that I work in a public school as opposed to a hakwon. The respect factor has been clearly upped. Then again I take my job seriously and dress the part. Nor am I the only one to have noticed this.
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Yeah, whatever. You're more optimistic than I am. If any parents think foreign teachers in public schools are " more qualified" than hagwon teachers -- whatever that means -- that's because they don't know any better. The only difference between us and hagwon teachers are that hagwon teachers might have students that are actually learning something. With an anyone-can-teach policy and a hopelessly conservative institute for such a radical program, it won't take long before attitudes change.
I think overall, the idea of a native speaker in every public school is a joke. They are creating more problems than they are solving. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| rawiri wrote: |
| Thats my point, you don't need any experience for gyonngido, they are hell bent on filling their schools with foreigners so are willing to take any and everybody. I don't want to sound like a *beep* but i'm going to be pretty involved in whoever it is thats coming in to replace me. |
You'll be surprised. I told my school I'd help them vet candidates to make sure they got a good teacher. But they went to a recruiter and ended up with someone who has never taught nor been outside of their home country. |
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