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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: Rebuilding The Temple Mount? |
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Muslim Protests As Israel Digs At Holy Site
Rory McCarthy in Jerusalem
Tuesday February 6, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Israeli archaeologists say that work at the Dome of the Rock is necessary on safety grounds.
Photograph: Yoav Lemmer/AFP
Israeli archaeologists began digging up a stone ramp near the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem's Old City today, bringing immediate protests from Palestinians and condemnation from the king of Jordan.
The work is the first stage in a scheme to build a new, raised walkway up to the site, which is known as the Haram al-Sharif to Muslims and the Temple Mount to Jews. Next to the walkway is the Western Wall, which dates from the time of the Second Temple and is the holiest site in Judaism.
Israeli archaeologists say the work is necessary on safety grounds, but Muslim leaders fear damage to the foundations of the site.
Archaeological work in Jerusalem's Old City is frequently contentious and has triggered violence in the past.
The second intifada erupted after the then Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, walked on to the Haram al-Sharif in 2000.
Experts from the Israel Antiquities Authority are also excavating at three places to the south-west corner of the site in what is now the Jerusalem Archaeological Park, where engineers plan to install a series of pylons to support the proposed new walkway.
Dozens of armed police stood guard today as two mechanical diggers began taking up the stone ramp. Large numbers of police kept Palestinian men under the age of 45 away from the site, but there were at least three protests elsewhere in Jerusalem.
King Abdullah of Jordan, whose family has custodianship of the Muslim shrines, condemned the work as a
"blatant violation" and a "dangerous escalation" 
"These measures will only create an atmosphere that will not at all help in the success of efforts being undertaken to restore the peace process," he said.
At the site, Dr Gideon Avni, director of excavations and surveys at the Israel Antiquities Authority, said there would be no damage to the mosques or the site. "The claims about damage to the stability of the Temple Mount we believe are baseless because we are working only outside the walls of the Temple Mount in a very limited area," he said.
The work was first planned after a storm three years ago damaged the stone ramp leading up to the Mugrabi gate of the holy site, an entrance generally used by tourists. An engineering survey declared the ramp unsafe and a temporary, wooden walkway was built next to it on stilts. Eventually the wooden structure will be removed and replaced by the new 100 metre-long raised walkway.
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Rebuilding the temple mount? |
-would only be fair.
considering that the original holy jewish site was destroyed and the dome was impositioned over it in a typical act of muslim triumphalism, its probably time the jews repaid the favour. Lets just look at the history of it for a moment:-
"From 632-636 AD, Arab Muslims the Eastern Mediterranean. The conquering Muslims were smaller in number than the original inhabitants. Muslim occupation did not change the religion of the inhabitants to Islam, yet many did convert at a later date.
When the Calif Omar entered Jerusalem and received the keys to the Holy City from the Christian Patriarch, Sophronius, the inhabitants were allowed to live in relative peace. The Dome of The Rock was built on Temple Mount by Calif Abdel Malek over the esplanade of The Second Temple in the year 685.
Phoenician Christians and Jewish Christian Converts enjoyed a short interval of Islamic tolerance during the early years of Arab control. However, soon thereafter, Christians, regarded by Muslims as the allies of the Byzantines, were mistreated and deprived of fundamental human rights. Christians were looked upon as enemies and their churches were destroyed in many places, including the Basilica of the Holy Sepulcher which was burnt down.
The Christians, especially the Melkites who lived in the eastern provinces of the empire, had much to endure. The Muslim Calif imposed many vexing measures upon the Christians. In 756, he forbade Christians to build new churches, to display the cross in public, or to speak about religions with Muslims. In 757, he imposed taxes on monks, even on those who lived as hermits, and he used Jews to strip sacristies for the treasury. In 759, he removed all Christians from positions in the treasury. In 766 he had the crosses on top of the churches brought down, forbade every nocturnal liturgical celebration and forbade the study of any language other than Arabic.
In 722, he required both Jews and Christians to exhibit an external sign to distinguish them from other believers. Abu Gafar al-Mansur also put in prison, for different reasons, the Melkite Patriarch Theodoret, the Patriarch Georges, and the Nestorian Catholicos James. Al-Mahdi (775-785) intensified the persecution and had all the churches built since the Arab conquest destroyed. The Christian tribes of Banu Tanuh, which counted 5000 fighters, were forced to embrace Islam. Angered by the defeats he incurred at the hands of the Byzantines, al-Mahdi sent troops to Emsa/Homs in Syria, to have all the Christians abjure their faith.
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: re: |
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We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death.
Peace |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death. |
Truth be known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotheism
Central to World Freemasonry, the Bible is essentially a Book of the Pharaohs.
The Levites ( aka the Hyskos ) are an historical group well worth keeping your eye on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atenism
Moses aka AKHEN-ATEN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Rebuilding the temple mount? |
-would only be fair.
considering that the original holy jewish site was destroyed and the dome was impositioned over it in a typical act of muslim triumphalism, its probably time the jews repaid the favour. Lets just look at the history of it for a moment:-
"From 632-636 AD, Arab Muslims the Eastern Mediterranean. The conquering Muslims were smaller in number than the original inhabitants. Muslim occupation did not change the religion of the inhabitants to Islam, yet many did convert at a later date.
When the Calif Omar entered Jerusalem and received the keys to the Holy City from the Christian Patriarch, Sophronius, the inhabitants were allowed to live in relative peace. The Dome of The Rock was built on Temple Mount by Calif Abdel Malek over the esplanade of The Second Temple in the year 685.
Phoenician Christians and Jewish Christian Converts enjoyed a short interval of Islamic tolerance during the early years of Arab control. However, soon thereafter, Christians, regarded by Muslims as the allies of the Byzantines, were mistreated and deprived of fundamental human rights. Christians were looked upon as enemies and their churches were destroyed in many places, including the Basilica of the Holy Sepulcher which was burnt down.
The Christians, especially the Melkites who lived in the eastern provinces of the empire, had much to endure. The Muslim Calif imposed many vexing measures upon the Christians. In 756, he forbade Christians to build new churches, to display the cross in public, or to speak about religions with Muslims. In 757, he imposed taxes on monks, even on those who lived as hermits, and he used Jews to strip sacristies for the treasury. In 759, he removed all Christians from positions in the treasury. In 766 he had the crosses on top of the churches brought down, forbade every nocturnal liturgical celebration and forbade the study of any language other than Arabic.
In 722, he required both Jews and Christians to exhibit an external sign to distinguish them from other believers. Abu Gafar al-Mansur also put in prison, for different reasons, the Melkite Patriarch Theodoret, the Patriarch Georges, and the Nestorian Catholicos James. Al-Mahdi (775-785) intensified the persecution and had all the churches built since the Arab conquest destroyed. The Christian tribes of Banu Tanuh, which counted 5000 fighters, were forced to embrace Islam. Angered by the defeats he incurred at the hands of the Byzantines, al-Mahdi sent troops to Emsa/Homs in Syria, to have all the Christians abjure their faith.
http://phoenicia.org/jerusalem.html |
You forget the B'nai Kinaanu or the Canaanites who were massacred and had their temples destroyed. Anyway, the Temple of Solomon was built by a secular king using Phoenician and Canaanite workers. So what is the hoopla all about? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death.
Peace |
I also have this question firmly in mind whenever I consider the veracity of a religion: can their God predict and/or avoid struggles over land rights in the 21st century? If He can help resolve patent disputes as well so much the better. Noisy fruit trucks and construction too. I'd never worship a God that allows that to happen. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death.
Peace |
I also have this question firmly in mind whenever I consider the veracity of a religion: can their God predict and/or avoid struggles over land rights in the 21st century? If He can help resolve patent disputes as well so much the better. Noisy fruit trucks and construction too. I'd never worship a God that allows that to happen. |
Some people just do not get sarcasm. Fundies think God planned it all. I was exaggerating to make a point.
Peace |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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| Rebuilding the temple mount? |
-would only be fair.
considering that the original holy jewish site was destroyed and the dome was impositioned over it in a typical act of muslim triumphalism, its probably time the jews repaid the favour. |
That's right - revenge is a dish best served twelve centuries cold. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Im all for it. Tear down the Dome, take that rock out and drop it in the sea. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Im all for it. Tear down the Dome, take that rock out and drop it in the sea. |
This is actually a good idea, apart from the rebuilding the temple part. Get rid of the dome, build a shopping mall and entertainment complex. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| Im all for it. Tear down the Dome, take that rock out and drop it in the sea. |
This is actually a good idea, apart from the rebuilding the temple part. Get rid of the dome, build a shopping mall and entertainment complex. |
1. bar with a LOT of booze
2. Id say pork but the Jews dont eat it either..too bad Samgyeubsal is out of the question
3. A museum for the Muhammad cartoons
4. A brothel
Any more ideas? |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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1. bar with a LOT of booze
2. Id say pork but the Jews dont eat it either..too bad Samgyeubsal is out of the question
3. A museum for the Muhammad cartoons
4. A brothel
Any more ideas? |
Subsidised housing to resettle displaced Palestinians! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
1. bar with a LOT of booze
2. Id say pork but the Jews dont eat it either..too bad Samgyeubsal is out of the question
3. A museum for the Muhammad cartoons
4. A brothel
Any more ideas? |
Subsidised housing to resettle displaced Palestinians! |
Few will argue with that.
Is it by chance part of the current "Road" Map? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death.
Peace |
I also have this question firmly in mind whenever I consider the veracity of a religion: can their God predict and/or avoid struggles over land rights in the 21st century? If He can help resolve patent disputes as well so much the better. Noisy fruit trucks and construction too. I'd never worship a God that allows that to happen. |
Some people just do not get sarcasm. Fundies think God planned it all. I was exaggerating to make a point.
Peace |
That's hyperbole, not sarcasm. Example of sarcasm:
"I'm sure this is all just part of the plan for the Holy Land of the God of the Bible." |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| seoulunitarian wrote: |
We sure are dealing with an infinitely wise God Who didn't see this coming, aren't we? I wouldn't be forced into worshiping the God of the Bible even with the threat of death.
Peace |
I also have this question firmly in mind whenever I consider the veracity of a religion: can their God predict and/or avoid struggles over land rights in the 21st century? If He can help resolve patent disputes as well so much the better. Noisy fruit trucks and construction too. I'd never worship a God that allows that to happen. |
Some people just do not get sarcasm. Fundies think God planned it all. I was exaggerating to make a point.
Peace |
That's hyperbole, not sarcasm. Example of sarcasm:
"I'm sure this is all just part of the plan for the Holy Land of the God of the Bible." |
Daniel, just give up man. Calling Mith a fundie is like calling IGTG as discerning.  |
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