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andrew



Joined: 30 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: "respect our culture" Reply with quote

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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'know, I'm tempted to tell you to just take their word for it about when to wear and not wear your shoes because it really is that big of a deal here.

Then again, this advice seems so obvious that I'm afraid I'm getting suckered into something like Qinella's gum thread.


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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walking on certain floors in this culture is taboo-- it's like licking someone's fork and telling them to eat with it. It's just not done, and I don't think you accomplished much except to sour relations with these people.

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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your case I do understand but usually:

Seems obvious to remove shoes when the floor is heated. People actually sit on the floor in this country.
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Zolt



Joined: 18 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any place requiring you to take off your shoes will have a slightly elevated floor and that space in the entrace to take shoes offs and store them. For the way you describe it, this place did not have those, and those, by korean cultural standards, did NOT require you to take them off.

And if it's dirty, socks come before culture. Even a cleanliness obsessed japanese will convene to it - although his reaction will rather be: let's go eat somewhere else. Your colleague clearly does not know that much about the culture she wants respect for.
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andrew



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
I don't think you accomplished much except to sour relations with this people.

He didn't have to change his socks when he got home, nor apply a wet cloth to the inside of his shoes to preserve its cleanliness.
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think its the heated floor. I think its the step-up or threshold (sometimes no change in hieght, but a threshold piece across the floor). It sounds like your teacher was a bit out of line. Most places with chairs don't require you to take off your shoes for the chair part of the restaurant.
I respect "korean style" in most things, unless its utterly ridiculous--Like putting your toilet paper in a bin.

This is the kind of thing that ruins your day though. sorry to hear about it
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
Walking on certain floors in this culture is taboo

I understand that, but if I wish to walk across the floor in shoes IN MY OWN HOUSE, then who are they to tell me I can't? "Fine, I'll take my shoes off for you, but you know when you leave I'm just gonna put them on again."

I don't usually wear my shoes indoors anyway (never did even growing up), but sometimes you're at the door, ready to step out, and you remember you left something across the room. I'm not gonna take my shoes off just to walk 15 feet only to put them on again. Christ, I clean my floor every week.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
kermo wrote:
I don't think you accomplished much except to sour relations with this people.

He didn't have to change his socks when he got home, nor apply a wet cloth to the inside of his shoes to preserve its cleanliness.

Whoops- typo!
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
kermo wrote:
Walking on certain floors in this culture is taboo

I understand that, but if I wish to walk across the floor in shoes IN MY OWN HOUSE, then who are they to tell me I can't? "Fine, I'll take my shoes off for you, but you know when you leave I'm just gonna put them on again."

I don't usually wear my shoes indoors anyway (never did even growing up), but sometimes you're at the door, ready to step out, and you remember you left something across the room. I'm not gonna take my shoes off just to walk 15 feet only to put them on again. Christ, I clean my floor every week.


Sure, it's your own house, and it's your right. I just don't know why Andrew, a seasoned traveller, would choose to barbeque this sacred cow over the matter of some slightly soiled socks.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
Sure, it's your own house, and it's your right.

Tell that to my Korean boss who SCREAMED at me when he saw me walk across the floor (with my shoes on) to get the keys I had forgotten on my desk. This was minutes after our orientation meeting and he had just shown us to our apartments.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
kermo wrote:
Sure, it's your own house, and it's your right.

Tell that to my Korean boss who SCREAMED at me when he saw me walk across the floor (with my shoes on) to get the keys I had forgotten on my desk. This was minutes after our orientation meeting and he had just shown us to our apartments.


Jeepers. When I first moved into my apartment, there were shoeprints all over the floor from the movers of the previous tenant.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Then again, this advice seems so obvious that I'm afraid I'm getting suckered into something like Qinella's gum thread.


And thus my motives are laid bare. Laughing
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
if I wish to walk across the floor in shoes IN MY OWN HOUSE, then who are they to tell me I can't? "


When I have been in that situation, here is what I did with reasonable success.

I start walking across the floor to retrieve my billfold while wearing shoes and a K friend audibly gasps and starts in on the culture lesson...

I interrupt and say: Tell me honestly. Haven't you done the same thing?

K friend: Well, um, er, ah...yes. But you aren't supposed to.

Me: Yes, I know. But you did it. I'm doing it. Are you just repeating what your mom said?

K friend: Well, um, er, ah...yes. But you shouldn't wear your shoes in the house.

Me: C'mon. Your mom taught you many rules. Which other ones have you broken?

By that time, I've retrieved my billfold and the conversation has switched to my K friend disobeying his/her mom. Problem solved.
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