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seoulman1
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Jamsil
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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: Jobs - for Americans only! |
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| Its come to my attention that many teaching jobs in Seoul are for Americans only. It is because they don't want to confuse the children by using different accents. I'm proud Australian... I can put on a very decent US accent but that doesn't hide the fact that I have an Aussie passport... Any others had this problem? |
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daz1979
Joined: 29 Apr 2006
Location: Gangwon-Do
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Jobs - for Americans only! |
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Yes, it seems to be the norm at many schools.
Seems crazy that I'm rejected for an English teaching position based on the fact that I'm English!  |
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seoulman1
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Jamsil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Classic! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: |
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It isn't right and it isn't fair. It is however, similar to the situation of everyone who doesn't have a Brit accent who wants to teach in the EU.
Note to Aussie friends: Send your army off to conquer someone and then you can get a job there. That's how the Brits did it. We're just following in their footsteps. |
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seoulman1
Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Jamsil
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
It isn't right and it isn't fair. It is however, similar to the situation of everyone who doesn't have a Brit accent who wants to teach in the EU.
Note to Aussie friends: Send your army off to conquer someone and then you can get a job there. That's how the Brits did it. We're just following in their footsteps. |
In Spain I saw an American guy being rejected from a bar because of his ethnicity.. They gotta have it good somewhere? Dont they?  |
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giovanni
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| seoulman1 wrote: |
In Spain I saw an American guy being rejected from a bar because of his ethnicity.. They gotta have it good somewhere? Dont they? |
What was his ethnicity? |
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| similar to the situation of everyone who doesn't have a Brit accent who wants to teach in the EU |
No it isn't similar. In the EU it's the right to work there issue. EU passport holders have right to abode and work in all other EU states, and so an American or Canadian or whatever don't have that right. As EU members, Brits and Irish have that right.
It's not an accent thing at all.
Infact, when I worked in TEFL in Milan last year, I worked with 3 Americans, and a South African, who all managed to get an EU passport of some sort through having a European parent/ grandparent. |
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yashi
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| giovanni wrote: |
| seoulman1 wrote: |
In Spain I saw an American guy being rejected from a bar because of his ethnicity.. They gotta have it good somewhere? Dont they? |
What was his ethnicity? |
Classic! |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| But I also saw alot of jobs for Canadians as well, since they have a very basic flat North American accent. |
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| alot of jobs for Canadians |
really?
The employer would have to go through a lengthy visa process that s/he wouldn't normally have to do if s/he were hiring an EU'er.
If you go to www.tefl.com and check out the europe jobs, most ask for eu national.
They would also have to prove as part of said visa process that there were no other Eu citizens available for position.
Can you provide links to the jobs advertising for canadians, i'd be quite interested. |
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plutodog18
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| similar to the situation of everyone who doesn't have a Brit accent who wants to teach in the EU |
No it isn't similar. In the EU it's the right to work there issue. EU passport holders have right to abode and work in all other EU states, and so an American or Canadian or whatever don't have that right. As EU members, Brits and Irish have that right.
It's not an accent thing at all.
Infact, when I worked in TEFL in Milan last year, I worked with 3 Americans, and a South African, who all managed to get an EU passport of some sort through having a European parent/ grandparent. |
Seems to me you missed the point. Whether the EU has institutionalized discrimination or whether it is an accent, discrimination is discrimination. Of course Brits and Irish have that right. The EU has effectively locked everyother English speaking citizen out.....
Hello any one home????? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| plutodog18 wrote: |
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| similar to the situation of everyone who doesn't have a Brit accent who wants to teach in the EU |
No it isn't similar. In the EU it's the right to work there issue. EU passport holders have right to abode and work in all other EU states, and so an American or Canadian or whatever don't have that right. As EU members, Brits and Irish have that right.
It's not an accent thing at all.
Infact, when I worked in TEFL in Milan last year, I worked with 3 Americans, and a South African, who all managed to get an EU passport of some sort through having a European parent/ grandparent. |
Seems to me you missed the point. Whether the EU has institutionalized discrimination or whether it is an accent, discrimination is discrimination. Of course Brits and Irish have that right. The EU has effectively locked everyother English speaking citizen out.....
Hello any one home????? |
Nonsense. If an EU citizen wanted to teach English or Spanish in USA he'd face the same work permit obstacle in US that a US citizen would face in the EU. |
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote]EU has institutionalized discrimination
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One of the rights and priveledges of being an EU citizen is the freedom of movement and the right to abode in an EU country.
I'm pimply responding to a postwhereby to contention was that non EU'ers were 'locked ou' of employment purely on an 'accent' basis- my counter argument to this post was that it wasnt on an accent basis.
With me so far Pluto?
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: Edinburgh
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hello,
can i just say im getting to grips with the interface here, and my last post has the quote and the original text mixed up- sorry! 
you get the jist of it. |
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Caledonian Craig
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, i also said pimply instead of simply.
and they're at opposite ends of the keyboard, so I really have no excuse!
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