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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: WILL MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS IN THE WEST ASSIMILATE? |
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I truly wonder how much longer it is going to be before the willy-nilly, namby-pamby, CasperMilkToast, spineless Western European politicians stand up to the enemies in their midst.
Yes, that's right, I mean enemies. Not traitors, because that word implies past allegiance to the nation, but enemies as in cells of festering contempt and hate.
Judging from the recent riots in France over Sharia law and the bombings and thwarted kidnapping attempts in Britain and the death threats to Danish journalists, the assassination of a Dutch politician and a Turkish journalist, etc., etc. it would seem that Islamofascism is alive and thriving in Western Europe.
At a recent university sponsored forum in London, filmed as part of a CNN International documentary, more than a dozen Islamofascist community leaders, mostly Pakistani immigrants, stood up to rail against the British authorities and to express their utter disdain for Western society. Aside from the sheer gall and temerity of these punks, who believe it is entirely acceptable to exploit Western economies for their personal gain without giving back so much as an ounce of loyalty, we have them fomenting hate with their children in the so-called madrassahs that are in fact no better than Nazi Youth camps (see article below).
In a recent poll, 16% of Muslim British youth expressed contempt for British society; others believed the terrorists are holy warriors.
Now I ask all of you, if a school sanctioned by a local community in any of these same countries was found to be indoctrinating youth with Nazism, white supremacy, or other racial doctrines, how many hours do you think would tick off before there would be a huge media outcry to match the quiet public indignation?
Am I being alarmist? Is The Guardian, a noted left-wing newspaper which I rarely cite, stirring the pot of ethnic strife? Or gee-willy-willickers, could it possibly be that there is more than a vocal minority among these Muslim immigrants who mean Western civilization irreparable harm?
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School's books are racist, says sacked teacher
Clare Dyer, legal editor
Tuesday February 6, 2007
The Guardian
A Saudi-run school in London uses textbooks which describe Jews as monkeys and Christians as pigs, according to papers filed with an employment tribunal by a former teacher. Teaching materials used at the King Fahd school in Acton, west London, translated from Arabic for an unfair dismissal claim against the school, say Jews "engage in witchcraft and sorcery and obey Satan", and invite pupils to "name some repugnant characteristics of Jews" and to give examples of worthless religions, such as Judaism and Christianity. Colin Cook, 57, a British convert to Islam who taught English at the school for 19 years until he was dismissed last December, said pupils had been heard saying they wanted to kill Americans, that 9/11 was good, and that Osama bin Laden was a hero. He is claiming �100,000 compensation for unfair dismissal, race discrimination and victimisation. The school was originally set up to educate the children of Arab diplomats, but most of its 750 pupils are now British Muslims. It teaches Wahhabism, the dominant faith in Saudi Arabia, which is an extreme form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Qur'an. Mr Cook's solicitor, Lawrence Davies, said he was taking the "extraordinary step" of issuing a statement because British pupils were being put at risk. "We are concerned at the fact that these racist textbooks are being taught in a Saudi-funded school to British pupils and to date no school inspection by Ofsted has identified this appalling practice." The teacher, who earned �35,000 a year, says he blew the whistle to Edexcel, the examinations body, after children were allowed to refer to their annotated texts in an English language exam in breach of the rules. The school denies his allegations and claims he was rightly dismissed for misconduct. His tribunal hearing is expected to be held later this year. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: Re: WILL MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS IN THE WEST ASSIMILATE? |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
In a recent poll, 16% of Muslim British youth expressed contempt for British society; others believed the terrorists are holy warriors. |
FWIW the study you cite is found here:
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/Publications.aspx?id=307
Attempting to analyze this study for any trends or behavior patterns is worthless. There is no control group. Without both control and study groups, and an attempt to correct for socio-economic selection biases, the study means nothing. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I truly wonder how much longer it is going to be before the willy-nilly, namby-pamby, CasperMilkToast, spineless Western European politicians stand up to the enemies in their midst.
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You know, I never agree with the OP, but this time he hit the nail on the head. I also wonder when the leadership of the West is going to start demanding that the red-neck reactionary bigots in our midst finally wake up and start living in at least the 18th Century. (It is too much to ask that they move into the 21st.)
At some point, we should pack 'em all in a leaky ship and send 'em back to Europe. If they can't accept the ideals of Western Civilization as defined by the Englightenment, then I say, SHIP 'EM OUT! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| It is kind of interesting to include the assassination of an Armenian in Turkey as part of a rant against Islamo-fascism. The nationalist forces in Turkey are not necessarily religious. Murders based on race or ethnicity happen all the time in the United States. Probably more Armenian Americans get killed in the U.S. than Armenians get killed in Turkey and so many Turks condemned the killing. I don't think you're being fair to the Turks. You are just lumping people based on being born into a certain religion. Phoebe Cates' mother is Turkey and she married a Christian man. The former president of Germany's son's wife is Turkish-German. As far as the British Muslims, we already discussed this and said that there is more fanatacism among Pakistani and South Asian Muslims when compared to the Francophone Muslims living in France. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| It is kind of interesting to include the assassination of an Armenian in Turkey as part of a rant against Islamo-fascism. The nationalist forces in Turkey are not necessarily religious. |
Yeah, Steve's panorama of recent Muslim/Euro relations is a little questionable.
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| Judging from the recent riots in France over Sharia law |
If we're talking about the same riots, I don't recall that they were speicifically about Sharia law. I think the triggering event was the shooting of some guy by police. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| In a recent poll, 16% of Muslim British youth expressed contempt for British society |
My god! Stop the presses!
If you ask teenagers in ANY country who holds their country/government/society in contempt, and can't get a number at least as big, you aren't trying. Or listening.
Stevie Baby, if you are committed to being a troll, please have the courtesy to have some creativity, some originality....some THOUGHT. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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huffandpuffdaddy:
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| Attempting to analyze this study for any trends or behavior patterns is worthless. There is no control group. Without both control and study groups, and an attempt to correct for socio-economic selection biases, the study means nothing. |
Spoken like a true quantitative researcher. Ever heard of qualitative research design? Welcome to the new century of data collection and analysis. SES has no bearing on the finding that there are indeed some (re: enough) British Muslims willing to endorse violence against their own government.
La-Dee-Dah Boy,
A feeble attempt at sarcasm. Nice try propping up the Straw Man argument but it doesn't negate my concern nor counter my contention that the mainstream media covers only what it deems newsworthy. Raise the banner of diversity at all costs! I'm not trolling and saying so doesn't remove you from an obligation to address my concern point-by-point unless your only purpose is to snipe. The contempt for British society is not only from adolescents and is far more than a generational gap issue. Yet another feeble attempt to downplay the reality.
Adventurer:
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| Probably more Armenian Americans get killed in the U.S. than Armenians get killed in Turkey and so many Turks condemned the killing. I don't think you're being fair to the Turks. |
Time to stop sniffing that cigar. I never insinuated that Turks were rabid idealogues but there is a strong nationalist AND ideological element in their midst. That journalist was speaking of the genocide of Armenians in the early 20th century, so where you bring in American Armenians is a mystery to me.
On the other hand:
The riots were the result of a laundry list of perceived and actual injustices to mostly Algerian immigrants in France. But one of the biggest bones of contention was the French government's opposition to girls' school garb, a reflection of Sharia law.
Paranoid? Yeah, right. I should just calm down and not worry about people tinkering with bombs to destroy innocent life. Your reaction plays right into the hands of the Islamofascists. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: |
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I always stop reading when BJ etc try to be cute with my name because I figure they have no come back and are desperate.
A troll is a troll because they have no original ideas. If Bill O'Reilly etc went off the air tomorrow, these guys would have nothing to say. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Steve wrote:
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On the other hand:
The riots were the result of a laundry list of perceived and actual injustices to mostly Algerian immigrants in France. But one of the biggest bones of contention was the French government's opposition to girls' school garb, a reflection of Sharia law.
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Well, obviously it's hard to prove a direct connection between one broad social issue and one specific riot, since the rioters weren't generally sending letters to the newspaper explaining what they were doing and why.
But for what it's worth, the Christian Science Monitor(your favorite paper, if I'm not mistaken) did an analysis of the causes of the riots. And whaddya know, not one word about female head-covering or Sharia law.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1104/p06s02-woeu.html
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I always stop reading when BJ etc try to be cute with my name because I figure they have no come back and are desperate.
A troll is a troll because they have no original ideas. If Bill O'Reilly etc went off the air tomorrow, these guys would have nothing to say. |
Ditto. I like it when people, and when I say people, I mean stevemcgarrett, try to make fun of my name. They sound like third-graders talking smack on the merry-go-round.
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| In a recent poll, 16% of Muslim British youth expressed contempt for British society; others believed the terrorists are holy warriors. |
Ummm... Call me ignorant, but does this mean that the remaining 84% of Muslim British youth thought that the terrorists were holy warriors, or does this mean the five guys in the rug delivery van said it? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Judging from the recent riots in France over Sharia law |
Say what? Are you talking about the riots over a year ago? Those had nothing to do with sharia law.
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| But one of the biggest bones of contention was the French government's opposition to girls' school garb, a reflection of Sharia law. |
As OTOH pointed out (with a great source at that!), this is completely incorrect.
BTW, I started a thread about France and its Muslims:
Plugging my thread
It linked to an article that had this interesting stat:
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| When asked to choose between religion and nationality as their primary identity, 42 percent of them said, French first, Muslim second. By contrast, only 7 percent of British Muslims and 3 percent of Spanish Muslims put nationality first. By the way, Pew reports that American Christians choose between religious and national identities in almost exactly the same proportion as do French Muslims. In other words, French Muslims balance their identities in about the same way as do American Christians. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: Re: WILL MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS IN THE WEST ASSIMILATE? |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
I truly wonder how much longer it is going to be before the willy-nilly, namby-pamby, CasperMilkToast, spineless Western European politicians stand up to the enemies in their midst.
Yes, that's right, I mean enemies. Not traitors, because that word implies past allegiance to the nation, but enemies as in cells of festering contempt and hate. |
How do you suggest we stand up to these enemies in our midst? How can we force them to assimilate and respect the ideals of the enlightenment and Christianity? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Ya-ta Boy"]
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| the red-neck reactionary bigots in our midst ! |
You're right. The West should allow schools to openly teach hatred. Good idea. |
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Svetlana
Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| WILL MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS IN THE WEST ASSIMILATE? |
Why should they? Did the Europeans assimilate when they immigrated to Native Indian land? NO! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| ban Islam. Close down all mosques. |
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