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Rain's Producer slams Korean Nationalism
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Rain's Producer slams Korean Nationalism Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2872225

Celebrity music producer Park Jin-young took a stand against nationalism yesterday, saying the word Korean should be removed from the phrase �Korean wave.�

�I don�t understand why the Korean wave is taken as the rah-rah material,� Mr. Park said. �Now is the time to overcome nationalism, but instead we are intensifying that sentiment.�

Mr. Park, who produces the music of the star singer Rain, was referring to hallyu, the Korean pop culture wave. He said the nationalism causes other countries to criticize Korea.

He made the comments in an interview in New York with the JoongAng Ilbo. Mr. Park is scheduled to make a keynote speech on Feb. 16 for the forum �Hallyu in Asia: A Dialogue,� at the Kennedy School of Harvard University.

The media is at least partly to blame for fanning nationalism, Mr. Park said. �The press says things like �The Korean wave is conquering Japan and China,� and that leads to anti-Korean wave sentiment overseas,� Mr. Park said.

Mr. Park said he�s been surprised to hear criticism expressed by producers and TV executives overseas.

�Now, the Korean wave is strong, so they are playing our music in their countries,� Mr. Park said. �But I get the sense that if the Korean Wave shows signs of dying out, they would go ahead and stop playing our music. It only hurts us if Koreans stress the Korean label too much.�
He also said politicians share in the responsibility. �Politicians do not look at pop art as a way to communicate culturally, but use nationalism for their own benefit.�

The producer noted that his own singer, Rain, received criticism on Web sites at home because he wore a Chinese-style costume and made dance moves based on kung fu. �Such a narrow-minded attitude does not help at all,� Mr. Park said.

The comment boiled up more online controversy, as Internet users reacted sharply both for and against Mr. Park. Those who opposed him said people can�t deny that the Korean wave comes from Korea.
The producer wrote a response yesterday on his Web site, saying, �It is my dream to overcome this modern age in which we think our country and our nation are only the best,� he said.

Mr. Park, himself a former star singer, has fostered a round of successful pop singers through his company, JYP Entertainment.

By Nam Jeong-ho(JoongAng Ilbo)/ Chun Su-jin(Staff Writer)
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pee is terrible, but his producer is right.

Korean artists and works have been hurt in other countries because of too much nationalism. The wave has been dampered.
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seoulsucker



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rain's handlers replace his producer in 5....4....3....2....
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone on this site noted in another thread, just imagine when the backlash starts and the Korean Wave becomes the object of satire. It's a good thing there's really no market for it in the west or else Koreans would be going apoplectic over western comedians being presented with such an easy target to satorise.
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venus



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The producer noted that his own singer, Rain, received criticism on Web sites at home because he wore a Chinese-style costume and made dance moves based on kung fu.� Mr. Park said.


Anyone who's been here long enough will understand why I am literally p*ssing myself laughing after having read this.

I heard from a Korean student that the K-Pop star 'Uni' who recently killed herself at the age of 26 did so in the most part because of criticism she recieved from netizens about being too sexy and not being a good Korean role model etc...

These netizens sound like morons.

No really. Another student who is hooked on these netizen sites or whatever they're called told me that I was wrong for dating Korean women. He said that if I had a child with a Korean woman it would come out - in his own words - "Not properly human."

He said it would be a lesser and 'poor minded' human being.

I asked him where he got such ridiculous information and he told me about the websites where he gets such stuff from...

Anyone know any of these sites.... Hell, I can't read Korean, so no use to me... but if anyone reads these sites, I really would be interested in your account of how they work, the type of subjects they cover and the level of rational debate they contain...

They sound almost as bad as this one... (toungue ever so slightly in cheek of course...)

Cool
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to know what all these sites are, too, especially as when I go into a PC-bang I'm usually the only one surfing the Internet and not playing computer games.
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Sister Ray



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="venus"]
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He said that if I had a child with a Korean woman it would come out - in his own words - "Not properly human."



Yeah, there's some bizarre misinformation out there. A couple of days ago a smart student of mine with very good English, about 15 years old said to me:

"Teacher you are writing with your right hand?"

"I am. So?"

"I heard all foreigners were left handed."

I went on to explain that this was most certainly not the case. She looked very puzzled and watched me closely for the rest of the lesson to ensure I didn't go back to using my left hand when she wasn't paying attention.
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Vancouver



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Rain's Producer slams Korean Nationalism Reply with quote

Mashimaro wrote:
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2872225

The producer noted that his own singer, Rain, received criticism on Web sites at home because he wore a Chinese-style costume and made dance moves based on kung fu. �Such a narrow-minded attitude does not help at all,� Mr. Park said.(Staff Writer)
i wanna see a video of that
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seoulshock



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Park is a smart man -- and a client and a neighbor. Very Happy
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Smee



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously self-serving and getting out in front of a trend.

But it's impossible to take the Korean out of the Korean Wave. It was marketed as an antidote to the trashy values exported by American culture. The draw of K-dramas was Asians would have an easier time relating to the values portrayed on the shows. Also, they showed a level of (artificial) opulence maybe not available to others in the continent. Movies and music rode the wave and had no problems proclaming the wonders of Korean culture to the masses. Unfortunately, cultural imperialism doesn't sit well with too many people, and Koreans are getting called on it. That, plus K-pop isn't too interesting anyway.


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migooknom



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulshock wrote:
Mr. Park is a smart man -- and a client and a neighbor. Very Happy


are you his dopeman?
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rothkowitz



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember New Zealand's attempt at a "Kiwi Wave"-for the sake of drumming up tourism-back in the 80s.

They had Loretta Swit from M*A*S*H saying how America was getting into kiwifruit and Kiri Te Kanawa(an opera singer)

Fruit and a fat chick.Great. Confused

At least we didn't take it seriously,unlike Korea with it's kimchi,bubblegum pop and cheesy dramas which really only appeal to SE Asian countries with even direr pop culture,lonely, bored and horny Japanese and Hawaiian housewives and millions and millions of Korean ex-pats
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JJK1



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
Rain's handlers replace his producer in 5....4....3....2....

Park Jin Young is definitely more influential than Rain in Korea. He owns his own record label (JYP) which is one of the biggest in Korea and has produced songs for American singers/rappers. He is the reason why Rain is successful.

But I disagree with his opinion. He criticizes the "Korean Wave" yet he doesn't have a solution for it. What are Koreans supposed to do, just ignore it?
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hubba bubba



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute...

Is This the Korean Wave we are talking about?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xynfgcsj41E

You mean this is "taking over Japan and China?"

Man, I'd LOVE this to be played in the states. Imagine the jokes on Letterman! Shocked
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sjrm



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hubba bubba wrote:
Wait a minute...

Is This the Korean Wave we are talking about?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xynfgcsj41E

You mean this is "taking over Japan and China?"

Man, I'd LOVE this to be played in the states. Imagine the jokes on Letterman! Shocked


they'd have material for months on end if that made it to the US. Thankfully it's not here. I'd have to jump off a bridge if it ever did. It's already bad enough that Justin Timberlake, Brittany Spears, etc. are big in the US.
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