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Qinella
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| I invite, not challenge, anyone who mocks SU to visit his site and try the guided meditation. |
I might have tried it a couple of years ago when I was more into that sort of thing, but since that time I've concluded that such experiences are simply the product of our own brains producing hallucinagenic chemicals. It's really not that hard at all to slip your brain into a hypnotic transe if you know how, and want to.
So, sure.. maybe you talked to an alien. Try asking the alien for some information about what's in a bag your friend in the next room is holding, however, and you may find your alien taking a quick retreat.
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| Do people harrass Christians who say they 'talk with God' or 'talk with Jesus' (or divine angels and the like, Mother Mary, and so on?). |
I do! I think it's silly.
To others who are getting worked up about Spinoza, erm.. it's just his writing style. I do not think he actually wants to disembowel people. Lay off the alien smelling salts and get a clue, haseyo. |
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re:cursive
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| To the OP. What's your story? I know that personally I'm not the type of person to publish my experiences on an internet forum but you've gone and started a thread stating you'll tell your story if others tell theirs. Some people have told their story...so where's yours? |
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Grimalkin

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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| I recently visited Seoulunitarian's site and tried his guided meditation which, he says, was devised with the assistance of an alien. It's forty minutes long and SU guides the listener through some relaxing stages to the point where one meets their 'extraterrestrial guide'. |
So did you experience the same 'telepathic communication' seoulunitarian is describing? |
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Grimalkin

Joined: 22 May 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| re:cursive wrote: |
| To the OP. What's your story? I know that personally I'm not the type of person to publish my experiences on an internet forum but you've gone and started a thread stating you'll tell your story if others tell theirs. Some people have told their story...so where's yours? |
(okay, overlooking the fact that you haven't shared one so I don't think you have the right to be demanding mine....still you do have a point )
So please bear with me people. I intend to keep my word however I have barely had enough time to just to keep up with this thread.
Tomorrow all will be revealed. I'll present my story along with the only plausible (tho' not very convincing) explanation my skeptical mind can come up with. (and I'll be even happier if someone can think of a more rational explanation). |
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captain kirk
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi Grimalkin, Quin,
Yes, Quin, I guess one could see getting into 'a state' (hypnotic, of belief) as seeing what one wants to see, hearing what one wants to hear. I've been thinking about what Seoulunitarian's up to since this thread began, and how to explain it to others because yes, Grimalkin, I did have the sense of being in 'telepathic communication' with an aspect, let's call it. An aspect of life. I'd like to NOT say it was an extraterrestrial, because that just sounds ridiculous. I mean even if that's what happened, who the fark is going to believe such a ridiculous load of baloney! Immediately one is cast into the category, outcast that is, of 'hope he's harmless', hahaha.
I'd like to ask you guys, Quin and Grimalkin, since you both seem to be interested and willing to converse on this matter, if you think individual human consciousness is isolated. Do you think it's possible, or impossible, for genuine instances of telepathic communication? If you say yes then that limited, unproven, example of the telepathy is evidence, like the tip of an iceberg, of a larger unknown. Who the hell swims around in freezing cold seawater examining the bulk of an iceberg beneath the small, surface bit? Nobody! Similarly, in human consciousness, who the hell swims around in the subconscious mucking around with that (bigger bit than is actually used in everyday consciousness, so they say) bit of the brain bumping into telepathy and other abilities? Almost nobody. But that doesn't mean the abilities aren't there and can be activated by focusing the mind in that direction, IMO.
And what about the myth, and lore from human history? There are seers, psychics, wizards galore. I think, these days, humans are, more and more, wrapped up in the activity in the parts of the brain that are rational, discriminatory, problem solving. There isn't the sense of distance and calm in this fast paced world, these days, that allows the subconscious to surface. Too much coffee, too many appointments, too much entertainment, too many work hours for the mind to be in the calm 'zero point' that is brought on by the peace of nature, a calm mirror for the mind. Soothing, sound of wind in the trees. Experience of oneness with All. When one lives in the city in the close company of car exhaust, cars, cement, people who are stressed, competing does one feel connected to All, to any of this? Not until one gets to the park, hahaha.
Higher consciousness possessed by higher beings. Who's to say they aren't aliens. If there is reincarnation it's said that one is reincarnated, one's five bodies, five different ways, and to anywhere in the Universe, and any time (forward and backward). Which would include one's bits heading into aliens and other beings. So what's the big deal about aliens! Common lore has it, in world culture, that aliens are more advanced, further along in evolution. And, in earthly lore, there's the 'guardian angel' (and angels generally, omniscient god(s)). What if this is a role taken by grey, big black-eyed, reptilian looking aliens without mouths who drive around in UFOs?
There's common lore about such beings, it's always the same story/depiction of aliens and their craft. But when it comes to God there's no religion on earth that describes their God or angels as aliens. It's quite the opposite. Aliens have laser guns and are on the rampage stealing our women and mutilating our cattle, hahaha.
But to get back to telepathy Quin says that when you ask the alien what's in a certain hotel room in a certain city that alien will soon beat a hasty retreat. There goes telepathy! That reminds me of Grotto in a discussion on Remote Viewing here awhile back and there was 'Grotto's challenge' where he dared any proponent/believer in Remote Viewing to tell him what was written on a piece of paper on his desk.
What is a human eye? It's some jelly of a lens hooked up to some chemical lines feeding to the brain. Other creatures have better, or worse eyes. Machine eyes, like a camera, can be better than a human eye. So what about 'telepathic ability'. It depends on the operator of the human brain, and the equipment (brain including attitude, focus, interest, practice). And, with some other being with a better brain, perhaps that being can, if they are in the role of a 'guide', meet, more than half way, the human who's telepathic practice is rusty, not as developed. And there can be a communication. Because the guide is a higher being who's interest is to help along the evolution of consciousness in all beings.
But you can't lead a horse to water and make it drink.
Did you ever see the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey? Well, at the beginning, there's a black monolith which appears before a bunch of australopithecines and the bone club is 'invented' after there's a buzzing and whirring coming from the mysterious monolith while the ape-men hold their ears (as, presumably, their brains are being nudged along, ouch!). Apparently the telepathic message was, 'grab a bone and you've got a tool, you tools, hahaha'. And Quin, your question, 'was the telepathic communication in English' is pretty funny, hahaha.
By the way I'm NO expert in all this. I followed Seoulunitarian's guided meditation three times and found the possibility of meeting an extraterrestrial guide and conversing very interesting, and its implications. I am not crazy, hahahaha! Why don't you guys try it and dance around on here about aliens and give me a break, hahaha. |
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merlot

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Yes, to the question.
But I'm not about to subject my experiences and myself to the living dead on this wacked out board.
Let me just reduce my experience to a few words: Immediate, profound and permanent Cosmic Consciousness. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| merlot wrote: |
Yes, to the question.
But I'm not about to subject my experiences and myself to the living dead on this wacked out board.
Let me just reduce my experience to a few words: Immediate, profound and permanent Cosmic Consciousness. |
So, you fried your brain while on acid hey  |
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merlot

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Grimalkin

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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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captain kirk
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| I'd like to ask you guys, Quin and Grimalkin, since you both seem to be interested and willing to converse on this matter, if you think individual human consciousness is isolated. Do you think it's possible, or impossible, for genuine instances of telepathic communication? If you say yes then that limited, unproven, example of the telepathy is evidence, like the tip of an iceberg, of a larger unknown. |
Yes and No. I believe (because Marais, a scientist who I greatly respect, who is hugely respected by other scientists, whose ideas on the subject have to my knowledge never been contradicted rather have been adopted by many of his peers and whose scientific methods I believe to have been impeccable) that what he terms a communal soul can exist between members of a community (termites, being the creatures he studied) as a method of communication. He makes certain points about this that I think are relevant here.
1) They cannot be communicating using any of the 5 sense organs we are familiar with.
2) They do communicate and this communication is essential for the proper functioning of the community.
3) This communication is limited by distance (as for instance it would be for humans dependent sole on speech to communicate).
He further makes the case that the termites rather than being considered as individuals behave more like the living cells of a single body (again this idea has never to my knowledge been discredited, to the contrary it is widely accepted as plausible).
I have extrapolated his ideas ( these purely my own ideas and if they can be disproven it is no reflection on Marais) to assume that this form of communication is possible between all social animals.
I do not believe it to be a language based form of communication where 'words' can be communicated.
I think all human beings experience this commonly but not understanding it either dismiss it, attribute it to coincidence or unable to explain it don't think about it further.
I don't think it's possible for it under normal circumstances to occur btween different species (altho' this is not a strongly held view of mine and I would not be surprised if it were disproven).
I don't actually believe it can be used by Aliens to communicate coherent messages over long distances. |
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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I'm sorry SU but your stories are all 100% bogus, as are any other 'supernatural' stories people have.
Self-delusion is a marvelous thing. |
Many scientists support the theory that extraterrestrials exist, so why is it beyond belief that if they exist, they can also communicate with us? The evidence in favor of the possibility of ET communication seems to be much more well-founded than evidence in favor of an invisible God.
Peace |
Nah, forget about it. Sure, it may be possible and even likely that other life exists in another galaxy or something, but to say that life is also so advanced that it's able not only to conduct intergalactic space travel, but to communicate with humans and, even more, in such a way that there is no concrete evidence of their activities left behind, is a gigantic logical leap.
Those things happened to you when you were 4 and 7. A lot of 4 and 7 year olds will swear to you that they talked to Santa Claus. So you had put yourself into a hypnotic transe and were babbling on incoherently, and your mom claims to have seen a bright light? That's absolutely meaningless, and does not constitute evidence.
Now you say you are chatting with ETs. I guess they speak English?
These concepts of yours are absolutely wacky, but the good news is there is time to change. |
I've come to accept that some people will never accept some things. It's not really my job to convince them. To answer your question, though, they speak telepathically.
Peace |
Yeah, see what you are doing, though? You're refusing to even address questioning and criticism, because facing these things realistically is something you simply will not allow yourself to do. What if you .. LOST YOUR FAITH!!?? That is the same thinking that makes a Republica plug his ears and shout NANANANANA when you start talking about Al Gore's opinions on global warming.
About the telepathy, you did not answer my question at all. I asked if they are communicating to you in English or not. |
No, Quinella. It's just that I've been through the same things with people before, and it just gets tiring, especially when I know you will refuse to believe whatever "evidence' I can give you because it is not "scientific." It's just not worth my time to defend the fact that I communicate with an extraterrestrial.
When they communicate with me via telepathy, the communication is in the form of thoughts, not language. I did answer your question - just not clearly enough I suppose.
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seoulunitarian

Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: re: |
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seoulunitarian
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| My experiences are only strange because they're relatively new on the spiritual scene. |
They seem to be unique.
Why you, why now? (genuinely curious!). |
I am certainly not the first person to have communciation with extraterrestrials. It's just that most cases are not widely known, and the line is always blurred between truth and fiction because it is such a personal, subjective experience.
Gabriel and Yeshua, my guides, have informed me that there is a current period called the Accelereated Grace Initiative in which Yeshua and his fellow workers will work with humanity to assist in spiritual awakening and bypass some stages (or all stages) of karmic life cycles. Yeshua told me he has chosen me as one of the people on earth through whom to re-communicate this message. The Grace Initiative began with the incarnation of Yeshua as Jesus Christ, but the message was diluted or changed by centuries of scribes after the life of Jesus.
Yeshua has informed me that the years 2008 and 2012 will be hallmarks in the mission of this Grace Initiative, and that a large percentage of humanity will jump from their current spiritual level to a new, higher level during the years between 2008-2012.
Peace
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seoulunitarian

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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
| captain kirk wrote: |
| I invite, not challenge, anyone who mocks SU to visit his site and try the guided meditation. |
I might have tried it a couple of years ago when I was more into that sort of thing, but since that time I've concluded that such experiences are simply the product of our own brains producing hallucinagenic chemicals. It's really not that hard at all to slip your brain into a hypnotic transe if you know how, and want to.
So, sure.. maybe you talked to an alien. Try asking the alien for some information about what's in a bag your friend in the next room is holding, however, and you may find your alien taking a quick retreat.
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| Do people harrass Christians who say they 'talk with God' or 'talk with Jesus' (or divine angels and the like, Mother Mary, and so on?). |
I do! I think it's silly.
To others who are getting worked up about Spinoza, erm.. it's just his writing style. I do not think he actually wants to disembowel people. Lay off the alien smelling salts and get a clue, haseyo. |
Our extraterrestrial guides are not toys, and they will not be bothered with parlor tricks. If we want to awaken spiritually, our ET guides will help us do that. If we want to perform magic, our guides will find something better to do with their time.
They are here to assist us in our spiritual evolution, not to convince us of their existence. It is our choice to work with them or to refuse to allow for even the slightest possibility they exist. Part of the reason I refuse to even argue beyond a point for their existence is because this is the same attitude they take.
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seoulunitarian

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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: re: |
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captain kirk
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| I'd like to ask you guys, Quin and Grimalkin, since you both seem to be interested and willing to converse on this matter, if you think individual human consciousness is isolated. Do you think it's possible, or impossible, for genuine instances of telepathic communication? If you say yes then that limited, unproven, example of the telepathy is evidence, like the tip of an iceberg, of a larger unknown. |
Yes and No. I believe (because Marais, a scientist who I greatly respect, who is hugely respected by other scientists, whose ideas on the subject have to my knowledge never been contradicted rather have been adopted by many of his peers and whose scientific methods I believe to have been impeccable) that what he terms a communal soul can exist between members of a community (termites, being the creatures he studied) as a method of communication. He makes certain points about this that I think are relevant here.
1) They cannot be communicating using any of the 5 sense organs we are familiar with.
2) They do communicate and this communication is essential for the proper functioning of the community.
3) This communication is limited by distance (as for instance it would be for humans dependent sole on speech to communicate).
He further makes the case that the termites rather than being considered as individuals behave more like the living cells of a single body (again this idea has never to my knowledge been discredited, to the contrary it is widely accepted as plausible).
I have extrapolated his ideas ( these purely my own ideas and if they can be disproven it is no reflection on Marais) to assume that this form of communication is possible between all social animals.
I do not believe it to be a language based form of communication where 'words' can be communicated.
I think all human beings experience this commonly but not understanding it either dismiss it, attribute it to coincidence or unable to explain it don't think about it further.
I don't think it's possible for it under normal circumstances to occur btween different species (altho' this is not a strongly held view of mine and I would not be surprised if it were disproven).
I don't actually believe it can be used by Aliens to communicate coherent messages over long distances. |
The telepathy by which our guides speak is in the form of thoughts or images. And our guides are not far away. Their ships are within our solar system.
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skinhead

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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi seoulunitarian. What's your take on the crop circle phenomenon? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| merlot wrote: |
Yes, to the question.
But I'm not about to subject my experiences and myself to the living dead on this wacked out board.
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Interesting juxtaposition. Those claiming to have transgalactic telepathic communication are not whacked out -- those critical of such things are whacked out.
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| When they communicate with me via telepathy, the communication is in the form of thoughts, not language. I did answer your question - just not clearly enough I suppose. |
I know it gets tiring for you, but why is it that such claims as yours NEVER hold up to scientific examination? My first question about it would be to ask if you've done a test with the beings. For example, ask them a math problem you don't know the answer to, and see if they can solve it. Or since they know so much about Jesus and Buddha, ask a question you don't know the answer to, such as the birth date of one of them, and see what happens.
Those aren't really scientific examinations, just my immediate, logical questions. If your telepathy is really what you say it is, then you should be able to pass some sort of test like that. Likewise, if someone says they have built a machine that can fly in the air, they have to be able to prove it or else everyone is going to continue to believe they are crazy.
Oh hold on, I didn't see this:
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Our extraterrestrial guides are not toys, and they will not be bothered with parlor tricks. If we want to awaken spiritually, our ET guides will help us do that. If we want to perform magic, our guides will find something better to do with their time.
They are here to assist us in our spiritual evolution, not to convince us of their existence. It is our choice to work with them or to refuse to allow for even the slightest possibility they exist. Part of the reason I refuse to even argue beyond a point for their existence is because this is the same attitude they take. |
Well, see, this is exactly the same rigamarole Christians cough up when you ask them why Yahweh doesn't show himself. Why is it that these gods and creator aliens, who supposedly created us and therefore understand our need for evidence, get so bent out of shape when we ask for it? It's completely illogical. Again, logic -- something they must have created. Why don't they follow it?
Here is my opinion on the matter, fwiw (and partially in response to Captain Kirk): the human brain is capable of subjugating its natural functions to an extent that it can cause one to enter into a state so unnatural, so strange, that later examination of the event by our conscious mind, filtered through our biases, knowledge, and past experiences, probably cannot quite explain what happened. In order to reach this state, there is a need for something called faith, which does not mean blind belief, but rather nonexistance of doubt.
Now, this place that we can reach is a wonderful place. Is is sacred to us, peaceful, and even life altering. This is why people who often reach this place are strong proponents of it, because they have seen the benefits of it in their own lives.
The problem, as I see it, begins precisely when a person assumes automatically that what he thinks he experienced is actually what he experienced. For some, their faith relies on this belief, but it is not necessary. We can have faith in our ability to subjugate our hind brain at will (see Joseph Chilton Pearce, The Biology of Transcendence) without believing in external communication.
To sum up what I mean, the unrestrained human brain is awfully powerful, but the conscious mind is limited in so many ways. I'm sure we can agree on this. Therefore, we trick ourselves so blithely.
Also, fwiw, I did experiment with such things with great frequency for a few years, post-apostacism from Christianity. I had a good deal of experiences I felt were significant. However, I have always approached these experiences as objectively as I could, and been hesitant to make hard and fast claims. Remote viewing of yourself and telepathy with a friend aren't necessarily what you think they are.
I don't mean to ridicule you, but at the same time I do not respect your beliefs and conclusions. This type of thinking promoted in this thread is archaic, barbaric, and ignorant. When I hear a thunderstorm, I do not think God is angry, or passing gas. Similarly, when I have a hallucinagenic experience, I don't think aliens are actually talking to me. You must dig deeper. |
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