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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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adventurer:
I do see more than a touch of anti-Semitism in your posts. The old faithful bullroar that the Ashkenaz ar not "real" Jews, because of the Khazar influence, the influence of other racial mixes in Europe. So what? For generations they have condisdered themselves Jews. Yes, what Jewish presence there was in the Holy Land for a very long time, was primarily Sephardic. They are Jews too. |
Truth is the Ash-ke-NAZIs are Jews simply through conversion. Many of their descendants (ISRAELI) are atheists.
They are NOT SEMITES. They are of TURKISH / MONGOL ethnic stock 
Zionism was IMPOSED on the region from outside ( primarily Europe & AmeriKa ).
True Torah Jews living in the region at the time ( real semites ) were largely OPPOSED to the idea of Is-ra-EL.
Smoke ... and ... mirrors ... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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adventurer:
I do see more than a touch of anti-Semitism in your posts. The old faithful bullroar that the Ashkenaz ar not "real" Jews, because of the Khazar influence, the influence of other racial mixes in Europe. So what? For generations they have condisdered themselves Jews. Yes, what Jewish presence there was in the Holy Land for a very long time, was primarily Sephardic. They are Jews too.
[I did not state that. You are becoming paranoid. I did not state anywhere that Jews of European descent are exclusively Khazar. You are claiming I said that which is intellectually bankrupt on your part.
You missed the point that some claim the Palestinians are not bona fide indigenous people, because they are not Jewish and either Christian or Muslim or communists. They are mixed just like the Ashkenazim. That is all I was stating and not what you are falsely claiming I said. If your last name is Sheinbaum and not Kagan, you are not of Khazar lineage in a direct way. These are facts.
God made a covenant with Abraham that his son by Sarah would be convenant son, Isaac. Isaac had two sons only one of which was the covenant son and the Jacob who had 12 sons. This is where Israel starts. One of those sons was Judah. That is where the Jews start with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and a smattering of Levites.
[I knew Israelite history, but Toda or thank you for the lesson. Jacob or Yaacov was called Israel. I suppose you could have included that. You forget to mention since you are using religion, and I am not that the Covenant or Brith required certain things from the Abiru/Hebrews led by Avraham. You can argue that the Brith is not being maintained, and it is not one-way.
The prophesies about the return of the Jews are several thousand years o;d. It is happening and sooner or later there will be a move to restore the temple. That too is prophesied. It need not be but I expect tbat event will be brutal. |
[This is all religious speculation. That is out of the scope of real history.
It goes into religious belief. The Wall of Solomon was built by Canaanites for Solomon. This is what we are told. I prefer the words of Yeshua or Jesus "The Kingdom (Malakut) is within, it is not within wood or stone".
Man made structures whether we are talking about the Holy Sepulchre, the Wailing Wall, or Dome of the Rock should not lead us to promote
violence.
Anyway, to paraphrase what I was saying, both the Jews and Palestinians have legitimate rights, are indigenous to the area, and are mixed.
That is all I was saying so don't make assumptions, bud. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
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adventurer:
I do see more than a touch of anti-Semitism in your posts. The old faithful bullroar that the Ashkenaz ar not "real" Jews, because of the Khazar influence, the influence of other racial mixes in Europe. So what? For generations they have condisdered themselves Jews. Yes, what Jewish presence there was in the Holy Land for a very long time, was primarily Sephardic. They are Jews too.
[I did not state that. You are becoming paranoid. I did not state anywhere that Jews of European descent are exclusively Khazar. You are claiming I said that which is intellectually bankrupt on your part.
You missed the point that some claim the Palestinians are not bona fide indigenous people, because they are not Jewish and either Christian or Muslim or communists. They are mixed just like the Ashkenazim. That is all I was stating and not what you are falsely claiming I said. If your last name is Sheinbaum and not Kagan, you are not of Khazar lineage in a direct way. These are facts. I could level an unfounded anti-Semitic charge against you regarding the Palestinians for not arguing with junior that the Palestinians are not less legitimate than the Ashkenazi Jews just because one has an older religion because it would go into this notion of the one race, pure race theory. However, it would be unfair.
God made a covenant with Abraham that his son by Sarah would be convenant son, Isaac. Isaac had two sons only one of which was the covenant son and the Jacob who had 12 sons. This is where Israel starts. One of those sons was Judah. That is where the Jews start with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and a smattering of Levites.
[I knew Israelite history, but Toda or thank you for the lesson. Jacob or Yaacov was called Israel. I suppose you could have included that. You forget to mention since you are using religion, and I am not that the Covenant or Brith required certain things from the Abiru/Hebrews led by Avraham. You can argue that the Brith is not being maintained, and it is not one-way.
The prophesies about the return of the Jews are several thousand years o;d. It is happening and sooner or later there will be a move to restore the temple. That too is prophesied. It need not be but I expect tbat event will be brutal. |
[This is all religious speculation. That is out of the scope of real history.
It goes into religious belief. The Wall of Solomon was built by Canaanites for Solomon. This is what we are told. I prefer the words of Yeshua or Jesus "The Kingdom (Malakut) is within, it is not within wood or stone".
Man made structures whether we are talking about the Holy Sepulchre, the Wailing Wall, or Dome of the Rock should not lead us to promote
violence.
Anyway, to paraphrase what I was saying, both the Jews and Palestinians have legitimate rights, are indigenous to the area, and are mixed.
That is all I was saying so don't make assumptions, bud. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Jews were not only there before "palestinians", they have held an unbroken presence there for 3000 years. Although of course, they haven't always been the majority.
If that isn't a case for land rights I don't know what is.
Where are you from, Jaganath? |
Australian by way of England. If you go back and read what I said, it'll head off your next statement. No need to get high and mighty about the west given where you're from and where you settled. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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adventurer:
I do see more than a touch of anti-Semitism in your posts. The old faithful bullroar that the Ashkenaz ar not "real" Jews, because of the Khazar influence, the influence of other racial mixes in Europe. So what? For generations they have condisdered themselves Jews. Yes, what Jewish presence there was in the Holy Land for a very long time, was primarily Sephardic. They are Jews too.
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I don't see how any of Adventurer's comments are anti-semitic. Can you define for us what exactly anti-semitic means? |
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