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Sincinnatislink
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| I anxiously await a substantive response. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| I anxiously await a substantive response. |
LOL. OK, here is my substantive response to your assertion:
The Cold War occurred. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| I anxiously await a substantive response. |
LOL. OK, here is my substantive response to your assertion:
The Cold War occurred. |
Ive never even heard the argument that there was no cold war. This guy first comes out saying how Amereican-Soviet proxy war in Arfhnaistan was all wrong and the US was so evil for fighting it, then he says there was no cold war. But since there was no hot war, and the US and USSR were indeed locked in a conflict, what would our new friend call it? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| I anxiously await a substantive response. |
LOL. OK, here is my substantive response to your assertion:
The Cold War occurred. |
There were two large powers with opposite ideological, political and economic agendas that attempted to keep as much of the world in their camp. In addition, there were several low and medium level proxy conflicts between these powers.
Lastly, during the Cuban Missile Crises, we know know that the SU actually gave the order to fire a nuke upon Florida but a lone Soviet sub commander disobeyed. Chomsky often, very often actually, cites this as evidence of how close we came to total war.
I would say that this guy is actually still in university, or finished last semester. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ...the argument that there was no cold war. |
The American military-industrial complex aimed to dominate the world in the Second World War's aftermath. In order to sell the military spending necessary, Truman, his successors, the Pentagon, and CIA, not to mention banana and energy companies, etc., fabricated the Cold War.
For example, they induced North Korea to invade -- just as they later set up 9/11 as their budgets threatened to wane.
What we think was "the Cold War" was actually a multigeneration, military-industrial complex deception operation run against the American people and the rest of the world.
This is the far left's post-9/11, post-Iraqi War reinterpretation. Many have bought into it uncritically because their hatred for W. Bush permits it.
Comes out loud and clear in Hollywood's The Good Shepherd, by the way, the scene were the Soviet defector, under drug-induced interrogation, of course, alleges "the Soviet Union is a shell, it barely exists...you need a powerful, expansionistic Soviet threat to justify your military-industrial complex's spending levels, so you created it..."
They say every generation rewrites history. This appears to be what the far left is aiming for now. "It has always been all about blatant imperialism from the start. Everything after the Second World War was fabrication and/or pretext, just as 9/11 and the Iraqi War clearly were...Lies, lies, lies ye-ah." |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| well, pass the Kool-aid.... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't get the kool-aid replies. I see it often. What is the reference? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't get the kool-aid replies. I see it often. What is the reference? |
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"Drinking the Kool-Aid"
The idiomatic expression "drinking the Kool-Aid" was originally a reference to the Merry Pranksters, a group of people associated with novelist Ken Kesey who in the early 1960s travelled around the United States and held events called "Acid Tests", where LSD-laced Kool-Aid was passed out to the public (LSD was legal at that time). Those who "drank the Kool-Aid" passed the "Acid Test." "Drinking the Kool-Aid" in that context meant accepting the LSD drug culture, and the Pranksters' "turned on" point of view. These events were described in Tom Wolfe's 1968 classic, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.[4]
It is also now closely associated with the 1978 cult mass-suicide/murder in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones, the leader of the Peoples Temple, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown. Late in the year, he then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Flavor Aid laced with potassium cyanide. In what is now commonly called the "Jonestown Massacre," a large majority of the 913 people later found dead drank the brew. (The discrepancy between the idiom and the actual occurrence is likely due to Flavor Aid's relative obscurity versus the easily recognizable Kool-Aid.) The precise expression can be attested in usage at least as early as 1987.[4]
One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, "Don't drink the Kool-Aid." This has come to mean, "Don�t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side," or "Whatever they tell you, don't believe it too strongly."[1] The phrase can also be used in the opposite sense to indicate that one has blindly embraced a particular philosophy or perspective (a "Kool-Aid drinker", or, as a cynical response to a fanatical claim, "sounds like someone's been drinking the Kool-Aid!").
In technology circles "drinking the Kool-Aid" is often used to describe the misguided or over-abundant enthusiasm someone has for their product and it's capabilities. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| The US and the USSR's governments' ideologies varied in very limited ways, regarding foreign policy. They were two big countries trying to dominate the world. That's all. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| I anxiously await a substantive response. |
Like that word "anxious" , dont you? Why dont you take out a letter or two and add an s? |
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Sincinnatislink
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Just tell me what the *beep* you want to say instead of playing Sudoku with me. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| Just tell me what the *beep* you want to say instead of playing Sudoku with me. |
Don't flatter yourself, there is not any logic in my comment to you, nor in any of your silly discussions , for that matter. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Then why are you posting here? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
| The US and the USSR's governments' ideologies varied in very limited ways, regarding foreign policy. They were two big countries trying to dominate the world. That's all. |
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a cold war to me.  |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| It wasn't. There was never a real threat of a conflict. |
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