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Bramble
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Location: National treasures need homes
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Yeah, I stumbed upon a "Soy Delicious" shop near the Yanjiae station (on my way back from the vegan buffet at SM Ching hai...) and their "ice cream" was excellent ... |
That's really amazing - I heard they opened up a chain of shops in Seoul a few months (a year?) ago. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| (George Harrison was right about Bono - an egocentric guy without that much talent - save for making money...) |
Harrison was a moron. You ask any major band who their influences are and a significant percentage will cite U2. Just listen to the music and then listen to all of the sonic imitators.
How does U2 make money? By making music people like to hear. How do you do that? Talent. U2 is more sonically innovative than any major band since the Beatles excepting perhaps the Police. George Harrison was just pissed because Paul McCartney was selling more records post-beatles. |
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RACETRAITOR
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Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
You're entitled to believe whatever you want. I think someone must have told her the food was vegan, and she was probably really upset about having been deceived. |
You're really trying hard to justify her actions. Does the idea of an irritable and unfriendly vegan really bother you? |
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Bramble
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
You're entitled to believe whatever you want. I think someone must have told her the food was vegan, and she was probably really upset about having been deceived. |
You're really trying hard to justify her actions. Does the idea of an irritable and unfriendly vegan really bother you? |
You're the one who comes across as irritable and unfriendly now. Why do you care so much about those two incidents? It sounds as if they were trivial events in your life. Why don't you forget about them? |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Right, so not appreciating George Harrison obviously means we're morons. To not appreciate U2's contributions to the musical landscape is moronic.
And vegetarians are just weird. Unless it's for a bona fide health reason (Phenolketonuria for instance.) Humans were designed to eat meat AND plants. Incissor teeth anyone?
The worst crap is when people try to feed their dogs vegetarian dog food! That's about as dumb as a shark eating kimchi.
Can vegans breastfeed? Technically, breast milk comes from an animal right? |
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kermo
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I read a review of the book on Salon.com. We're still talking about a book, right? Anyway, it apparently wasn't very good. I'm a vegetarian, but I'd rather be represented by people who can put together a coherent argument.
http://www.salon.com/books/review/2007/01/25/stuart/index.html
(you can view it for free, but you have to go through an ad first.) |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| I'm a vegetarian, but I'd rather be represented by people who can put together a coherent argument. |
A couldn't agree more. Too many ideas that could be good are ruined by ignorant people trying to take the reins. A great example of that would be economic reforms for developing countries. The Seattle WTO protests are a great example of how a group of irrate hippies spent more effort in causing riots than they did in explaining intelligently the need for WTO reforms.
Another cause is the evironment. You have wackos like Al Gore preaching about human caused global warming and instead of bringing people to the table for constructive debate, he instead alienates the people that he should be trying to convince.
When attempting to persuade someone, preaching to the choir isn't the answer, the answer is using a well researched argument coupled with an aknowledgement of disenting views. By addressing "the other side" you are then able to better make your case. Many vegetarians just say "meat is murder, etc," while insulting or misrepresenting the cultural and nutritional claims of the carnivorous crowd.
I would love free trade, but I'm not going to just tell Korean farmers that they're wrong about rice. I'm going to present my argument with an understanding of their perspective. It's better to try and bring people to the table with respect and balanced arguments rather than just passionate blather. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I have no intention of buying and/or reading the book - I just used it to revisit a familiar topic from another angle. The Salon (princess?) reviewer mostly expresses her personal predilection for a literary style other than the one used by the author, whose forte is supposed to be historical writing. I don't think that he is arguing the case for vegetarianism so much as highlighting some of the cultural history of the issue that he traces back to the 17th Century.
"Superacidjax" (nice name...) is entitled to his opinions, but I disagree with those he expressed two posts back - though I concede that I'm probably too harsh on U2 ... The reason I insulted Bono on this thread was in response to the ignorant quote attributed to him early on about single vegetarian men probably being homosexuals... |
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Bramble
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Here's an interesting link about veganism in India. I wasn't sure where to put it, so I thought this thread was as good a place as any.
http://abolitionist-online.com/_06shah.html
Edit: typo |
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Rteacher
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I think that vegan diets can be very good for people who can handle the austerity. And, of course, less harm would be done to animals and the environment if significant numbers of humans became vegans...
However, I think that (along with some counterproductive tactics...) some of the underlying philosophy and propaganda put out by vegan groups is off (eg: considering cows milk to be unnatural for human consumption...)
And - at least in western countries - vegans seem to rely way too much on soy products, which I don't think are very well suited for human consumption.
I think that Indian culture generally has a low regard for soy beans (I've heard a Brahman cook refer to it as "pigs' food" ...) There are many other "higher class" beans (dahl) that are used in Indian cooking (eg: mung dahl, urd dahl, channa dahl...) that western vegans could utilize more - especially in the making of faux meats like veggie burgers... |
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