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[thepeel]

According to your boy Chomsky, the order to fire was given to a Soviet sub during the Cuban crises.

Nope, no threat there.

[Sincinnatislink]

There are a significant number of places I disagree with Chomsky, for the record. But let's put that in another thread, if you must discuss it.

Said Soviet sub might have received an order. Unfired missile does not cold war make.

[Sincinnatislink]

My complaint is that I still haven't heard a good explanation of what we mean by a "cold war." Every time I hear it explained, I can pretty easily find something that is utter bullshit in it.

[Pligganease]

In 1947 the term "Cold War" was introduced by Americans Bernard Baruch and Walter Lippmann to describe emerging tensions between the two former wartime allies.[1] There never was a direct military engagement between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, but there was a half-century of military buildup, and political battles for support around the world, including significant involvement of allied and satellite nations.

[Sincinnatislink]

Yes, that's lovely. People made guns and almost fought each other.

Care to differentiate that from the relationship between North and South Korea currently?

[Leslie Cheswyck]

[jinju]

[Sincinnatislink]

Okay, so what characterized this hostile relationship between the US and USSR?

[thepeel]

[jinju]

[Sincinnatislink]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

[freethought]

I'm afraid this discussion has not taken on anything llike what I had intended, but as to the cold war 'nenver happened' idea, rubbish.

The threat of confilct and the number of times Truman and Stalin put their militaries on high alert prior to the end of the berlin airlift indicates that there was a major chance for conflict. Declassified docs from the US and what's available from the old Soviet archive indicate that both sides thought the other of launching a strike both against one another as well as against foreign, 3rd party targets.

Post airlift and post the Soviet getting the bomb there's the Korean war and the cuban missile crisis that show the potential for direct conflict. Toss in things like Vietnam where one side was supplying the others enemy with weapons and funds, and there's grounds for a cold war. Add to that the American efforts in Afghanistan and you have a elements that justify a cold war right up until 1989.

The definition that someone put up early was pretty good, but it's important to note that there needn't be any threat of direct conflict, the idea behind a cold war is that there is no direct conflict, otherwise it would be a hot war.

Propaganda was used on both sides, as were acts and policies justified throught the use of propaganda, when no 'real' justification for said policies ever existed. That doesn't mean that there wasn't a perception of justification, though.

I think any set of relations which involved elevated military threat levels due to a 'kitchen debate', indicates that there was something going on, and taking everything into account that something can and should be called a cold war.

[thepeel]

Wow. Your a tad arrogant eh?

Helping us along with our silly ideas by playing Socrates eh?

[jinju]

You also forgot the Korean war as an example, BJWD.

[Sincinnatislink]

Is the war on terror real? Do share.