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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Report me to the authorities. Please.
There are people at my college called "tutors" who moderate discussions.
I read exactly 0 books on poly sci or history written after 1950 in my formal undergrad study. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Gopher has proven that studying something doesn't make one an expert.
Now that I've told you something about me, why don't we get back to the discussion? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: ... |
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I take it the decade of benign hegemony you're referring to is the 1990s, right?
That would cover the end of HW and then Clinton's terms in office. Then, if I read what you wrote correctly, around 2000 the honeymoon was over and people started to view the US as predatory. You're suggesting this just happened "as a matter of time"? In other words, it was people just growing tired of the US and not a result of the policy changes introduced by George W Bush?
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| and as we already know, America, like everyone else in the world, has its faults and shortcomings |
You've stated this many many times. People have answered just as they have on this thread: Whether China or [insert country] abuse human rights/install dictatorships/[insert bad thing], that doesn't make it ok for the US to do so as well.
Like on this thread, you move on to other topics and don't respond to this. I don't think it's an unreasonable position:
Whether China or [insert country] abuse human rights/install dictatorships/[insert bad thing], that doesn't make it ok for the US to do so as well. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I agree that this thread shouldn't be about Sincinnatilink's education, but I really am curious about this...
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I never had professors.
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There are people at my college called "tutors" who moderate discussions.
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Do you mean that, throughout your entire undergraduate program, you never once took a class taught by someone with a Ph.D in the subject he was teaching? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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That is goopher's way: insult and run. He coined it from you-know-who, I'm sure. The argument being played out here in all its infantile dysfunction is nothing more than the old adage my country right or wrong. It truly is nothing more.
Ex.: The Iraq was badly orchestrated (but not *bad*), but you REALLY are complaining about it just because you hate us just because we're stronger than you!
It's nothing more than an excuse, and it takes not one poli-sci class to understand this. It's playground material.
And how easy is it to simply insult rather than deal with the issues and accept that your nation has had some real scumbags running things at times; has had deeply committed people making huge mistakes; has had to choose between lessers of two evils? Very. This entire thread is an example. But, no, it all must be excused away to maintain the egotistical, ethnocentric, and frankly STUPID proposition that anyone *I don't like* critiquing my country is anti-American. Even Americans.
People, again, this is playground stuff. These little conversations would be interesting if they were actually about something other than the above. But they aren't.
And the issues are simple: what the US does, the US is responsible for *regardless of what any other nation does or does not do.* Anything else is nothing more than situational ethics, and not very high on the scale of ethical reasoning.
Grow up, indeed. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| Whether China or [insert country] abuse human rights/install dictatorships/[insert bad thing], that doesn't make it ok for the US to do so as well. |
You do not like to hear what I have to say so you mischaracterize it. You also, in very bad faith, follow me from thread to thread, desperate to "expose" contradictions and my "true" agenda, cutting-and-pasting out-of-context quotations and propounding prosecutorial, baited "questions" as well.
This is both your and BLT No-Brainer's issue: that I am somehow apologizing for American faults.
But show me, Nowhere Man, one instance, any instance at all, where I have said "that makes it OK for the US to do so as well."
I think that you are so caught up in your U.S.-centric, antiAmerican bitterness, that you simply cannot stand to hear a discourse that rejects this worldview. You yourself are extremely cynical, for example. You cannot imagine not being cynical. And so you assume that I, too, must be cynically moving in the shadows establishing this or that case, working against your "righteous" case of justice. Or whatever.
Truly I do not care. And there is no point in responding to your bad-faith "questions" when we have never even been discussing the same issues drawn from the same page anyway.
You cannot force others to accept your worldview, Nowhere Man. Neither can you force the discussion's framework or silence other's perspectives. Oh, well. At least these temper tantrums you and your wild-eyed, shrieking brother throw from time to time amuse me...
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| But show me, Nowhere Man, one instance, any instance at all, where I have said that "that makes it OK for the US to do so as well." |
Evidence?!?! Mwahahahahahahahaha!
We don't need no stinking evidence! We'll just say it over and over until it's true! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Sincinnatislink wrote: |
Report me to the authorities. Please.
There are people at my college called "tutors" who moderate discussions.
I read exactly 0 books on poly sci or history written after 1950 in my formal undergrad study. |
*Screams*
Annapolis or Fe? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I agree that this thread shouldn't be about Sincinnatilink's education, but I really am curious about this...
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I never had professors.
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There are people at my college called "tutors" who moderate discussions.
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Do you mean that, throughout your entire undergraduate program, you never once took a class taught by someone with a Ph.D in the subject he was teaching? |
Quite the opposite. St. Johns has quite an impressive array of professors who are forced to put up with geeky undergrads who think they know it all until about Junior year when they develop a creepy relationship that borders on hero worship DESPITE the fact that they are called tutors to avoid this.
Did I mention that freshmen year there's always at least a dozen discussions going on debating just how gay the Greeks were? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: ... |
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| You do not like to hear what I have to say so you mischaracterize it. You also, in very bad faith, follow me from thread to thread, desperate to "expose" contradictions and my "true" agenda, cutting-and-pasting out-of-context quotations and propounding prosecutorial, baited "questions" as well. |
And you like to play the victim. It's always someone else doing something to you. You do not like what "the Left" has to say, so you mischaracterize it.
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| But show me, Nowhere Man, one instance, any instance at all, where I have said that "that makes it OK for the US to do so as well." |
That's not what I said. Read again:
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and as we already know, America, like everyone else in the world, has its faults and shortcomings |
[My response]:
You've stated this many many times. People have answered just as they have on this thread: Whether China or [insert country] abuse human rights/install dictatorships/[insert bad thing], that doesn't make it ok for the US to do so as well.
Like on this thread, you move on to other topics and don't respond to this. I don't think it's an unreasonable position:
Whether China or [insert country] abuse human rights/install dictatorships/[insert bad thing], that doesn't make it ok for the US to do so as well. |
Of course this:
(Gopher, page 10)
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| But show me, Nowhere Man, one instance, any instance at all, where I have said that "that makes it OK for the US to do so as well." |
provides an interesting comparison with this:
(Gopher, page 3)
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So, admit to nothing. Deny everything. Demand proof. Obscure. Obscure. Obscure. Protect the U.S.-centric, unreasonably-critical, harshly-negative, allegation-driven discourse. Standard operating procedure.
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And let's go back to page one. Who has said, in "any instance at all", that America is responsible for "all of the world's ills"?
Let's go to page 4. Someone suggests that torture is anti-American. You didn't comment on that. Just let it slip on past. I think that's rather disingenuous, given our earlier conversations about secret prisons and making people disappear. Remember? You called me a "realist". 
You can dish it out, but you can't take it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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I agree that this thread shouldn't be about Sincinnatilink's education, but I really am curious about this...
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I never had professors.
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There are people at my college called "tutors" who moderate discussions.
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Do you mean that, throughout your entire undergraduate program, you never once took a class taught by someone with a Ph.D in the subject he was teaching? |
Quite the opposite. St. Johns has quite an impressive array of professors who are forced to put up with geeky undergrads who think they know it all until about Junior year when they develop a creepy relationship that borders on hero worship DESPITE the fact that they are called tutors to avoid this.
Did I mention that freshmen year there's always at least a dozen discussions going on debating just how gay the Greeks were? |
Man, I need a scorecard to keep up. So far, I've heard about Annapolis, Fe, and what's this St. John's now?
And are they trying to downplay, or overplay, Greek homosexuality? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Taking a break from the usual "discourse" with the angry radicals...
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Man, I need a scorecard to keep up. So far, I've heard about Annapolis, Fe, and what's this St. John's now?
And are they trying to downplay, or overplay, Greek homosexuality? |
St. John's is a liberal arts college, with branches in Annapolis and Santa Fe, New Mexico. My understanding is that they offer a "Classical" education. Last I heard they also offer an Eastern Languages program as well.
Interesting school. Please do not tell me, however, that our friend here is one of its products.
And by the way...
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| I take it the decade of benign hegemony you're referring to is the 1990s, right? |
No. You just put words into my mouth again. If, on the other hand, you want to ask, then ask.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Could someone ask a real question instead of talking about my education?
I pm'ed a couple people who asked about this politely, anyone who gives a shit should contact me by email or pm.
I'd rather talk about "the anti-american crowd" here. |
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