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sundubuman
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Utah gunman, 18, was Muslim from Bosnia |
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Utah gunman, 18, was Muslim from Bosnia
Killed 5 in crowded shopping mall before being gunned down
Posted: February 13, 2007
7:29 p.m. Eastern
� 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
The 18-year-old gunman who killed five people in a crowded Utah shopping mall was a Bosnian Muslim refugee who was prepared to kill many more, say investigators.
An off-duty police officer having an early Valentine's Day dinner with his wife was credited today with cornering Sulejmen Talovic, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived to shoot and kill the gunman.
The trench-coated teenager wanted to "to kill a large number of people" and probably would have killed many more if not for the off-duty officer, Police Chief Chris Burbank said.
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A friend said Talovic was from the war-torn country of Bosnia and that the trauma he experienced while growing up may have led to him snapping for some reason.
Ken Hammond, an off-duty officer from Ogden, north of Salt Lake City, jumped up from his seat at a restaurant after hearing gunfire and cornered the gunman, exchanging fire with him until other officers arrived, Burbank said.
"There is no question that his quick actions saved the lives of numerous other people," the police chief said.
Police said it was not immediately clear who fired the shot that killed Talovic.
Talovic had a backpack full of ammunition, a shotgun and a .38-caliber pistol, police said. Investigators knew little about Talovic, except than he lived in Salt Lake City with his mother, the chief said. He was enrolled in numerous city schools before withdrawing in 2004, the school district said. Initially, police refused to release his name or any information about his background.
Talovic drove to the Trolley Square shopping center � a century-old former trolley barn with winding hallways, brick floors and wrought-iron balconies, and immediately killed two people, followed by a third victim as he came through a door, Burbank said. Five other people were then shot in a gift shop, he said.
Four people who were wounded remained hospitalized today, two in critical condition, two in serious.
Outside the mall, candles and flowers were left as memorials to the victims.
Hammond's boss, Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner, said the state Senate wants to honor him.
"Thank goodness he was there," said Greiner, who is also a state senator. "You don't want to ever say it's good we were there and killed somebody, but it's probably good someone was there."
Accountant Jeff Barlow was on a date at a restaurant when he looked outside and saw the gunman firing from the hip.
"I thought it was some kind of joke � some kind of movie or stunt," Barlow said. "I didn't believe it was happening. And then I saw a man go down in a courtyard. I realized this was serious. These are real bullets flying around."
David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's Day shoppers. |
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jinju
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| so, who will defend him? Big bird? |
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khyber
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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It really sounds like his Muslim background has a lot to do with him doing that.
no wait. It doesn't. |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I blame Grand Theft Auto. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
It really sounds like his Muslim background has a lot to do with him doing that.
no wait. It doesn't. |
Shhh! Prejudices are being aired out here. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
It really sounds like his Muslim background has a lot to do with him doing that.
no wait. It doesn't. |
same with suicide bombers? a big coinkidink? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| SLC = lotsa Christians to shoot. Just like fish in a barrel. |
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dogbert

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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't the U.S. support the Bosnians against the Serbs? Is this the thanks we get?
How much more of this slaughter needs to happen before we rationalize our immigration/refugee policy?
Why the f*ck do we need to import criminals? We should have learned from the Marielitos fiasco. |
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khyber
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Shhh! Prejudices are being aired out here. |
why? It's not like it's a rare occurance. The only regrettable thing is that it's the same old clowns. |
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dogbert

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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever. If the U.S. gov't. had not let him in the country, those people would still be alive. I say that's a fair trade-off. If that's prejudice, well, then prejudice saves lives.
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ChuckECheese

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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, Islam is religion of peace and love. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
It really sounds like his Muslim background has a lot to do with him doing that.
no wait. It doesn't. |
Shhh! Prejudices are being aired out here. |
The truth equals prejudice?
Now, if an ESL teacher from Canada or an American GI went into the COEX mall and gunned down five Koreans, would a Korean be accused of prejudice for pointing out that fact, or should the public not be told that the murderer was not from Korea?
And why is it hard to believe that his being a Muslim might have something to do with him gunning down some Americans in a mall? |
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gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: city of paper
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
| And why is it hard to believe that his being a Muslim might have something to do with him gunning down some Americans in a mall? |
How long had he been in the States? Maybe he did it because he was an American... |
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The Hammer
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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May the victims rest in peace.
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dogbert

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| sundubuman wrote: |
| And why is it hard to believe that his being a Muslim might have something to do with him gunning down some Americans in a mall? |
How long had he been in the States? Maybe he did it because he was an American... |
It's bad enough we have our own homegrown mass murderers. We don't need to be importing Bosnians to ratchet up the competetion. |
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