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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
My brother and sister both got married recently, and are residents in the UK. They want kids, but don't want to bring them up in the UK at the moment. My sister's husband is a police officer and I think he summed up the situation pretty well when he said "there's too many little t.wats around."
The said t.wats are a product of their environment, and I think that parents have to bear the brunt of responsibility for them. |
I agree entirely. I love certain things about my city, but I've no desire to return to England to live in the near future. Anti-social disorder is spiralling out of control and I don't see much effort being made to curb the problem. Extra police powers is not addressing the causes of the problem, which are deep-rooted and potentially irreversible - at least in the short-term. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| I agree entirely. I love certain things about my city, but I've no desire to return to England to live in the near future. Anti-social disorder is spiralling out of control and I don't see much effort being made to curb the problem. Extra police powers is not addressing the causes of the problem, which are deep-rooted and potentially irreversible - at least in the short-term. |
guns, people! guns!
on a more serious note, i can't imagine raising kids in the modern world anyhow. unless they're home-schooled, in which case they often turn out socially inept. and with the state of the world as it is at the moment, i wouldn't be surprised if we had a third world war or some other disaster or epidemic in our lifetimes. (can you believe bush wants to attack Iran? what idiocy!) |
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bobbyhanlon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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it isn't the government. as much as people like to ascribe every problem to tony blair, or he would love to ascribe any success to himself, the trouble with britain is much deeper than anything one government can fix.
those who mentioned a lack of parental responsibility, i totally agree with. when you have kids born to 19 year old, on-the-dole parents, who don't care to provide them with a decent education, good food, attention, and a sense of responsibility and care for others, this is what you end up with.
in becoming a more liberal and open society (which is still a good thing, in my opinion) i think we inevitably allow children who would have once been made to feel shame (or a thick ear) for their actions are now allowed to fully develop their chav-ish tendencies.
on a personal note i'm heading back to manchester this year for graduate school, and am truly not looking forward to the inevitable run-ins with people who say:
- 'av u got 50p for da bus? no? then come 'ere whil' a batter ya, ya fookin' coont!
- fook off, ye fookin' poshboy student. i'll fookin' batter ya!
- 'you lookin' at ma bird? no? wot? is she ugly or sumthink? i'll fookin' batter ya!
and so on...
there's many things in england to be proud of... but because of people like this, its a bloody depressing place to live now. i can't wait to graduate and then get the hell out again! |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| I agree entirely. I love certain things about my city, but I've no desire to return to England to live in the near future. Anti-social disorder is spiralling out of control and I don't see much effort being made to curb the problem. Extra police powers is not addressing the causes of the problem, which are deep-rooted and potentially irreversible - at least in the short-term. |
guns, people! guns!
on a more serious note, i can't imagine raising kids in the modern world anyhow. unless they're home-schooled, in which case they often turn out socially inept. and with the state of the world as it is at the moment, i wouldn't be surprised if we had a third world war or some other disaster or epidemic in our lifetimes. (can you believe bush wants to attack Iran? what idiocy!) |
Yeah, interesting points. As for guns......Liverpool isn't known as a gangster city without reason! Watch the movie 'The 51st State' with Samuel L. Jackson - while ridiculous, it's set in Liverpool. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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The kids are most definatley a product of their environment.
The parents lack of discipline is most definately to blame.
The govt is to blame for the traditionless (a word?) material obsessed society it helped create post ww2.
Oh well. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
The above link indicates the seriousness of the problem the UK faces. We are being infested by the scummy peasant underclass! |
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butlerian
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http://www.chavscum.co.uk/
The above link indicates the seriousness of the problem the UK faces. We are being infested by the scummy peasant underclass! |
I think sites and attitudes like that only add to the problem. Who created this "underclass"? Why is nothing much being done to tackle the issues? |
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eamo
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Here's some of what we're talking about. Thanks to chavscum.co.uk
They even have korean chavettes!!
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LL Moonmanhead
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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what we need is a good old fashioned European infantry war.  |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Those Korea chavettes are hot.
I'm not kidding.
Anyone know where these kind of chicks hang out...? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: My country is going to the dogs. |
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| LL Moonmanhead wrote: |
UK REPORT FINDINGS
UK child poverty has doubled since 1979
Children living in homes earning less than half national average wage - 16%
Children rating their peers as "kind and helpful" - 43%
Families eating a meal together "several times" a week - 66%
Children who admit being drunk on two or more occasions - 31%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6359363.stm
England really is becoming a dirty, grimy, boring place.
The future is bleak. Real bleak.
Blair's Britain.
Vote Labour
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It's interesting that you blame Labour. I blame them in that they have abandoned their own principals and followed the Tories. Much of the social decline in British society seems to have happened since 1979 after the Tories took power, and implemented American style economics. Look where we are on the list in relation to the US!
Now look at the countries who top the list:
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
These countries have not followed Milton Friedman style economics, and have a more socialist bent. They've put the welfare of their society above big business and private profit.
One side effect of economic rationalism is that the British now work far more hour than most Europeans. We are working such long hours, we have no time for our families. When (before Labour took power) I worked in the city (of London) it was pretty much frowned upon to take lunch breaks! I worked at various locations because I was a temp, and this work culture was widespread. People often worked through their lunch breaks without extra pay, and then often worked up until 7 or 8 pm. This means they are not spending quality time with their children, and this is going to have serious repucussions. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: My country is going to the dogs. |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| LL Moonmanhead wrote: |
UK REPORT FINDINGS
UK child poverty has doubled since 1979
Children living in homes earning less than half national average wage - 16%
Children rating their peers as "kind and helpful" - 43%
Families eating a meal together "several times" a week - 66%
Children who admit being drunk on two or more occasions - 31%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6359363.stm
England really is becoming a dirty, grimy, boring place.
The future is bleak. Real bleak.
Blair's Britain.
Vote Labour
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It's interesting that you blame Labour. I blame them in that they have abandoned their own principals and followed the Tories. Much of the social decline in British society seems to have happened since 1979 after the Tories took power, and implemented American style economics. Look where we are on the list in relation to the US!
Now look at the countries who top the list:
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
These countries have not followed Milton Friedman style economics, and have a more socialist bent. They've put the welfare of their society above big business and private profit.
One side effect of economic rationalism is that the British now work far more hour than most Europeans. We are working such long hours, we have no time for our families. When I worked in the city (of London) it was pretty much frowned upon to take lunch breaks! People often worked through their lunch breaks without extra pay, and then often worked up until 7 or 8 pm. This means they are not spending quality time with their children, and this is going to have serious repucussions. |
I think you're completely correct Big bird. About the more socialist European countries having a much better record of taking care of those who need taken care of. But I still think this chav culture is something unrelated to government. Unless you want to make the point that welfare money is too easy to come by in Britain. But, then again, the welfare system is awesome in those socialist-ish European countries.
I just think it's something else. Something that you can't really put your finger on. A huge portion of young people in Britain have no ambition and are attracted to crime much more than to school. It's not an entirely new thing. We have had football hooligans and such before. But those were youg people who were at odds with their parents. These chavs are imitating their parents!! |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| bobbyhanlon wrote: |
it isn't the government. as much as people like to ascribe every problem to tony blair, or he would love to ascribe any success to himself, the trouble with britain is much deeper than anything one government can fix.
those who mentioned a lack of parental responsibility, i totally agree with. when you have kids born to 19 year old, on-the-dole parents, who don't care to provide them with a decent education, good food, attention, and a sense of responsibility and care for others, this is what you end up with.
in becoming a more liberal and open society (which is still a good thing, in my opinion) i think we inevitably allow children who would have once been made to feel shame (or a thick ear) for their actions are now allowed to fully develop their chav-ish tendencies.
on a personal note i'm heading back to manchester this year for graduate school, and am truly not looking forward to the inevitable run-ins with people who say:
- 'av u got 50p for da bus? no? then come 'ere whil' a batter ya, ya fookin' coont!
- fook off, ye fookin' poshboy student. i'll fookin' batter ya!
- 'you lookin' at ma bird? no? wot? is she ugly or sumthink? i'll fookin' batter ya!
and so on...
there's many things in england to be proud of... but because of people like this, its a bloody depressing place to live now. i can't wait to graduate and then get the hell out again! |
Ha, ha I am moving to Manchester too at the end of the year.
Now, I really have somethitng to look forward to.
Thanks 
ilovebdt |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| bobbyhanlon wrote: |
- 'av u got 50p for da bus? no? then come 'ere whil' a batter ya, ya fookin' coont!
- fook off, ye fookin' poshboy student. i'll fookin' batter ya!
- 'you lookin' at ma bird? no? wot? is she ugly or sumthink? i'll fookin' batter ya!
and so on...
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Haha! Ah were braht up'n ' North. That makes uz feel quaht nostalgick! |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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