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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| I have no interest in defending Muslims in crazy countries, because under Sharia law, gay people are killed. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| gsxr750r wrote: |
| I have no interest in defending Muslims in crazy countries, because under Sharia law, gay people are killed. |
Huh? We're talking about Bosnia. Serbia is no more progressive on gays than Bosnia. So this is a red herring. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| the first page of this thread showed more ignorance than usual for this forum. |
bucheon, honestly. these and other unneccessary comments like your swear-filter evasions make you look like a condescending, arrogant ass. full of hot air.
if the comments on this thread or another truly bother you, you should just ignore them. |
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
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Please tell me you were kidding. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| the first page of this thread showed more ignorance than usual for this forum. |
bucheon, honestly. these and other unneccessary comments like your swear-filter evasions make you look like a condescending, arrogant ass. full of hot air.
if the comments on this thread or another truly bother you, you should just ignore them. |
Well a) at least I keep my commentary short and concise (and therefore deprived of that hot air you mention) b) my 2nd response apparently resonated with a couple others on this forum. Not sure you can say the same about some of those posts I was referring to.  |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
b) my 2nd response apparently resonated with a couple others on this forum. Not sure you can say the same about some of those posts I was referring to. |
I'm not sure resonating with people on this forum is necessarily a good thing, and I wouldn't be using that as a measuring stick. (note the no wink, which means I'm dropped dead serious). |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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 And i know you were serious, but I am laughing in agreement.
touche. yes, do you do have a point. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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question for the name-calling crowd, if the article were to have pointed out the FACT that the murderer in question was a male, and tied together that with the fact that virtually all similar mass murderers are also male, would that to be some example of prejudice?
how exacly do the fevered filters of the liberal mind distinguish what is prejudice as opposed to what is factual?? |
I am going to give my last thoughts on this subject a la Jerry Springer style. If you said that disproportionately certain ethnic groups commit too many crimes in the U.S. this would be a fact. Depending on if that person brought it up, because they wanted a cultural change and to work on the issue, then it wouldn't be prejudice, but if it was to simply call the other side barbaric whole-sale then it is prejudice.
As far as this male in question, you are separting the fact that is a European from being Muslim. In appearance, he looks like a regular European of Slavic stock. The way he carried out the killings was reminiscent of what we saw many young white males do in America in the last several years. No one stated they saw him connected to a certain mosque, religious or any of that jazz. They did indicate he saw massacres when he was a young child, and that he was possibly scarred by it. You posted in the title of your post that he was Muslim without really trying to look at the fact that he was a European and obviously know little about Balkan Muslims and just assume they are the same as someone from Iraq or Saudi Arabia. I assure you that a Bulgarian Muslim is very different from one from your average Muslim from Cairo.
That is where your logic runs into serious trouble. When you say a billion people are all the same that does create problems when you want to create a sane foreign policy and not be prejudiced to boot. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with most of what Adventurer wrote, but i think there is one major thing that needs to be pointed out. The idea that minorities commit more crimes is statistically true, but has major problems.
White collar crime, DVD pirating, downloading, 'kick-backs' all sorts of other 'white guy crime' goes uninvestigated, unprosecuted, and therefore unincarcerated. I say this as someone who has seen white collar crime first hand and worked in the government.
If the focus was removed from 'street' crime, you'd see whitey in the slammer at a far higher rate, and it might even balance the equation(incarceration rates) out a little. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
I agree with most of what Adventurer wrote, but i think there is one major thing that needs to be pointed out. The idea that minorities commit more crimes is statistically true, but has major problems.
White collar crime, DVD pirating, downloading, 'kick-backs' all sorts of other 'white guy crime' goes uninvestigated, unprosecuted, and therefore unincarcerated. I say this as someone who has seen white collar crime first hand and worked in the government. |
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| If the focus was removed from 'street' crime, you'd see whitey in the slammer at a far higher rate, and it might even balance the equation(incarceration rates) out a little. |
FU. Putting whitey in the slammer to "balance incarceration rates" should never be a goal. Downloading "King Kong" never killed someone's kid -- street crime does every day.
If you want "balanced incarceration", you need to focus on stopping those who are committing violent crimes.
Here's a tidbit -- these guys probably never would have been caught if they weren't stupid. And I'll tell you, I'd rather see Martha Stewart go free than these "diversity" criminals -- torturers, rapists, and murderers. But maybe that's your goal -- you want to see whitey get his "by any means necessary".
http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/tag/channon-christian/ |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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man that was a F-upped response.
There was no BS, and saying FU.... Guess I hurt your white-pride or something. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
I agree with most of what Adventurer wrote, but i think there is one major thing that needs to be pointed out. The idea that minorities commit more crimes is statistically true, but has major problems.
White collar crime, DVD pirating, downloading, 'kick-backs' all sorts of other 'white guy crime' goes uninvestigated, unprosecuted, and therefore unincarcerated. I say this as someone who has seen white collar crime first hand and worked in the government.
If the focus was removed from 'street' crime, you'd see whitey in the slammer at a far higher rate, and it might even balance the equation(incarceration rates) out a little. |
I disagree with this. People are concerned more about violent crime. Euro-whites and Asians do not commit violent crimes on the same level other groups do. Downloading is done by everybody, so it is a non-issue. As far as white collar crime, it does happen. It is a given in any country. You won't lose your life over it. Most of the victims of say crimes committed by some African Americans are actually African Americans, so it needs to be dealt with for the sake of all Americans.
The pirating and downloading that you mentioned is done by all groups in America on the same level. White collar crime is harder to investigate in any country than someone mugging you, stealing from you etc....
If you point that there is a serious amount of wrongs committed by many whites in America like the elites who led the country to the war while African Americans did not and who neglect the areas where minorities live, then I would agree with that, if you approached it that way. Many times when black people suffer, people just don't care. There is a problem that we prefer to ignore in reality. |
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bixlerscott
Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I was in Bosnia during 1996, immediately after the civil war ended and it was a tore up hell. This shooter in Utah would had been only 7 years old at the time. Too young to really take in the whole of the experience. I do not think the Bosnian civil war led him to shoot people in a shopping mall recently. I believe it is a cultural failure common in America he failed to integrate successfully into American culture like many Americans themselves due to it being dysfunctional. Many do not fit in socially and economically into the scheme of things in America, thus, they get frustrated, give up, and may go on a rebellious rampage, commit suicide or resort to a life of stealing and decieving in response to feeling it is not fair that they have no niche.
Back in January of 1996, the US came in to save the day for the Muslims who were losing against the Serbs. What the US's interests in Bosnia are, I am unsure. We all took in stride as an act of good will to bring peace and show a better way to this pretty old world little country that time forgot.
Would you believe I got Muslims to enjoy eating bacon? Would you believe that those Muslims were the most die hard dedicated, committed, and most respectful employees you could ever have? Would you believe they loved working for Americas' mission to save the world for only 70 cents an hour with no complaints? Would you believe you could tell them do anything and teach them anything despite a real language barrier present? Would you believe Koreans are harder to teach English to than the Bosnians?
I am amazed... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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[quote="bixlerscott"]I was in Bosnia during 1996, immediately after the civil war ended and it was a tore up hell. This shooter in Utah would had been only 7 years old at the time. Too young to really take in the whole of the experience. I do not think the Bosnian civil war led him to shoot people in a shopping mall recently. I believe it is a cultural failure common in America he failed to integrate successfully into American culture like many Americans themselves due to it being dysfunctional. Many do not fit in socially and economically into the scheme of things in America, thus, they get frustrated, give up, and may go on a rebellious rampage, commit suicide or resort to a life of stealing and decieving in response to feeling it is not fair that they have no niche.
[For some years I was traumatized by something violent that happened to me when I was about 7 years old. I don't think about it now, but I am far from 18 years old. And what he went through at that age was far worse than what I went through, and it is not psychologically credible to say someone cannot be strongly affected by experiences when they were 7 years old. I remember talking to a Phillipino-American who remembered vividly what the Japanese did in his country. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I guess that Filipino dude will start gunning down holiday shoppers any day now. He's long overdue. |
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