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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Will poor women endanger themselves for money? |
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I don't think this is a good idea myself. Donating eggs is not a risk-free procedure, and paying women may encourage the poor to put themselves at risk.
Women will be paid to donate eggs for science
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Women who go through the medical procedure to harvest the eggs from their ovaries, which doctors describe as 'invasive' and possibly dangerous, will be paid �250 plus travel expenses, the existing maximum compensation for any egg or sperm donor. Anyone agreeing to donate will have to show that they are acting for altruistic reasons, for example because they have a close relative suffering with one of the conditions scientists are trying to develop new treatments for with the aid of human eggs.
But scientists from the University of Padua in Italy have warned that women who donate their eggs for research could be at risk from life-threatening side effects induced by the powerful drugs administered to them. The drugs help to increase the number of eggs produced and were found by the scientists to cause paralysis and could lead to limb amputation and even death.
There were also warnings last night that poor women could be tempted or coerced into taking part for the money. 'The HFEA could be unwittingly opening the door to barter or sale of eggs, including women in Britain as well as abroad, even though it is saying that women doing this would do so for purely altruistic reasons,' said Donna Dickenson, emeritus professor of medical ethics and humanities at the University of London and one of Britain's leading experts on the issue.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| It isn't your place to decide for them what they do with their body. They own their body, not you. If you want to try and convince them otherwise that is fine, but they should be free to do it. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| It isn't your place to decide for them what they do with their body. |
That's a very interesting statement coming from an arch conservative. I take it you're pro choice then? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| It isn't your place to decide for them what they do with their body. |
That's a very interesting statement coming from an arch conservative. I take it you're pro choice then? |
Now, you just went off on the other thread about how the label of "leftist" is misused, and then you call me an "arch conservative".
I'm pro-drug (use), pro-gay marriage/adoption, pro-abortion, anti-war, anti-religion. Above all else I despise the state and the overweight flunkies that make their living sucking off the productive abilities of the working class. Man should be free from government interference 100%. I want private societies.
Just because I reject the environmental hysteria (like I did to Y2K) doesn't I'm a conservative (whatever that means anyways). This is a carefully constructed moral panic. Similar to a "bank run".
The women in the OP should be free to do to their bodies what they please. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah, so you're a libertarian, the ultimate in selfishness ... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| Ah, so you're a libertarian, the ultimate in selfishness ... |
Yes. Well,
I say I want to keep what I have earned and not take from anybody.
Is that selfish? Really?
Most people want to keep for themselves what they can AND maximize the amount they steal from me via the state.
You want to take from me to support your causes. Why not do it yourself? Isn't that selfish? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I only agree with about half of what BJWD writes, but you can tell he's thought about each and every one of his positions on their individual merits as opposed to accepting them as a group as many do due to them being categorized into one wing or the other. That's why he's one of the more interesting posters on the board and I enjoy seeing people come in and say "that's because you're so left/right wing!" based on how they've misinterpreted his views. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know who you're refering to but I myself haven't swallowed any party line whole.
I think through each issue myself too, and make up my own mind. Sometimes I differ from the Democratic party on an issue, but they are the party with whom I agree most, so that's who I support. |
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seoul_nhl

Joined: 18 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Will poor women endanger themselves for money? |
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Women will be paid to donate eggs for science
Hey thats amazing $$$ for eggs! I just bought 36 dozen at Costco, and I usually throw at least a 3rd of them.
On a serious note there are other ways women could make money that are worse and more dangerous. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, there are other ways. But it is none of our business.
Look, we cannot criminalize all activities that are dangerous. We can bungee jump, drive fast cars, cruise at 2 Km above ground, drink, smoke, have unprotected sex with random people and eat unhealthily. The government cannot go around stopping people from harming themselves.
If technology allows this to happen, and there is a market for it, then it will happen regardless of if we like it or not. Look at where abortion and drugs are criminalized. Maybe nations like America/Canada would be able to prevent a black market, but do you think that Cambodia could too? It is best that this is kept open, legal and transparent. And also that women are compensated fairly and the procedure is done as safe as possible.
But this hits a nexus of gender/class/reproductive organs that is extremely sensitive to people on the left. Because it is women, and poor women, and poor women's eggs it will be controversial. But if selling is to be made illegal, and donating doesn't cover our needs, well, those eggs are going to come from somewhere.. |
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