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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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You know, Rapier...I am far from stupid. What I said is true whether you like it or not...it's just another example of the race-division in the states that continues to be thrown in our faces...the fact is you are either American or not...the liberals get their power from dividing Americans into race and class...
as for the blacks in America...their poor state of education is directly related to the liberal war on poverty, a 10 trillion (and rising) dollar fiasco...it has destroyed their self-reliance, their respect for education, their respect for community and for others..what we are seeing today is a result of liberal policies... |
Liberals just don't get that! The ignorant ones think that just giving things away is noble and helpful.
Give a man a fish... |
This is just what we need in a crisis. Lessons on ideology! |
And empty banal platitudes.  |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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this is the stupidest forum ive ever read here on davesesl.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randall-robinson/new-orleans_b_6643.html
read the article, know that randal robinson was taken out of context, hate white america for a minute, and then move on like i did.
except that i was so annoyed i had to stop and put a post on this forum, and so now maybe i revamped it... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Anyone here know if cannibalism is illegal in the US?
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From "In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship ESSEX" (Nathaniel Philbrick; National Book Award Winner 2000)
As Chase's men lay immobilized by hunger in the bottom of their boat, yet another member of Hendrick's crew died. This time it was Isaiah Sheppard, who became the third African American to die and be eaten in only seven days. The next day, January 28--the sixty-eighth day since leaving the wreck--Samuel Reed, the sole black member of Pollard's crew, died and was eaten...
Sailors commonly accepted that eating human flesh brought a person's moral character down to the level of those 'brutish savages' who voluntarily indulged in cannibalism...But it wasn't the act of cannibalism that lowered a survivor's sense of civility; rather, it was his implacable hunger. During the first leg of their voyage, Chase had noticed that their sufferings had made it difficult for them to maintain 'so magnanimous and devoted a character to our feelings."
Just as concentration camp inmates underwent, in the words of one psychologist, "starvation...in a state of extreme stress," so did the men of the Essex live from day to day not knowing which one of them would be the next to die.
Under these circumstances, surviors typically undergo a process of psychic deadening that one Auschwitz survivor described as a tendency to 'kill my feelings'...
Given the cruel mathematics of survival cannibalism, each death not only provided the remaining men with food but reduced by one the number of people they had to share it with. By the time Samuel Reed died on January 28, the seven survivors each received close to three thousand calories' worth of meat (up by almost a third since the death of Lawson Thomas). Unfortunately, even though this portion may have been roughly equivalent to each man's share of a Galapagos tortoise, it lacked the fat that the human body requires to digest meat. No matter how much meat they now had available to them, it was of limited nutritional value without a source of fat.
(pp. 170-173)
["They were in the boat 93 days." It was the sinking of the Essex by a maddened whale that inspired Melville's 'Moby Dick'.] |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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Extermination of the Pygmies
By Anne Penketh
Independent
July 7, 2004
Deep in the Congolese jungle, rebel groups are united only in their desire to wipe out the Bambuti. Their weapons include murder, mass rape and cannibalism, reports Anne Penketh
The attackers come after darkness falls, making their way through thick jungle in search of the pygmy settlements. Then the horror begins. "They started killing people and eating them ... I saw them cutting up human flesh, then they were putting it on a fire to grill it. I got scared and ran away, not knowing what else happened behind me." Those are the words of Amuzati N., a Bambuti pygmy who escaped a massacre by a rebel group in Democratic Republic of Congo, the scene of the conflict known as Africa's "first world war" because of the number of parties involved in the struggle for the mineral-rich country.
His testimony, and that of other members of the Bambuti in eastern and northern Congo, prompted a human rights group in Britain to submit evidence yesterday to the International Criminal Court accusing the rebel groups of a "campaign of extermination" of the Bambuti pygmies. Ugandan and Rwandan-backed rebels are accused of mass killings, cannibalism and systematic rape in the pygmy communities, who are believed to be the original inhabitants of the equatorial forests.
Such crimes against humanity, which have been recorded since 1998, "continue up to the present", said Mark Lattimer, the director of Minority Rights Group International, whose group formally filed a report to the court based in The Hague. Eyewitness accounts contained in his 30-page report say that the rebels have deliberately targeted the Bambuti pygmies, who are considered "subhuman" or dismissed as beggars and thieves by other ethnic groups. One of the groups accused of the atrocities, the Ugandan-backed Movement for the Liberation of Congo (MLC), is part of the transitional government that emerged as the result of a 2003 peace accord.
Reports of cannibalism in the Democratic Republic of Congo first surfaced in May last year. Eyewitness testimonies were rare. But the horrific accounts in the latest report leave no doubt as to the scale of the problem - and crucially, explain why such atrocities are happening.
Mr Lattimer said: "The pygmies are threatened with being eaten as a weapon of war to get them to leave the area." Also, their attackers believe that by consuming the flesh of a pygmy they are conferring magical powers on themselves, while they are also targeted because they are suspected of collaborating with the Mai-Mai, who have fought on different sides in the long-running war. In some cases too, the Bambuti have been abducted and forced to act as trailfinders by armed groups, leading to retaliation by rival forces.
Mr Lattimer, working with the R?eau des Associations Autochtones Pygm?s du Congo, led a month-long research mission to the area in January, during which more than 80 interviews were taped with the victims or witnesses of atrocities against the pygmies. His investigation found that from October 2002 to January 2003, combined rebel forces ran an operation in Ituri province code-named "Effacer le tableau" (wiping the slate clean). The aim, according to survivors, was to rid the jungle of the Congolese pygmy population, estimated to total about 90,000 in the eastern region.
"It was in the night around 8pm, when people began to fall asleep," said Sumbula R., who survived a massacre by armed men in military clothes in the village of Mbuluku. "Once they were sure the village was asleep, they attacked and started to shoot and kill. "They started shooting at all those who tried to escape. One ran this way, they shot him. Another ran that way, they shot her - even the women. "They captured the young children, gathered them and held them until daylight. Then they put some of them in a mortar and pounded them to death. They destroyed the huts and set them on fire. The people were also burned."
Pindjaone B., from the same village, was already hiding in the forest with her husband and mother when four soldiers came across them. "They started to push us around and to intimidate us, asking for goat meat. We said we were not able to find that sort of thing. They said that was good because we were people with powers, people who could heal illnesses. That if we didn't have meat they could eat us and they would get the power. "Then they asked my husband several times to sleep with my mother in order that they could see our power. They beat him but he refused to do it. Then they raped my mother and me, one after the other, each by two of them. "Afterwards they asked my husband to sleep with me in front of them to see how we make love. After strong threats and blows my husband finally accepted and we did it in front of my mother and in front of them. It was horrible."
Some Congolese believe that back pain or other ailments can be cured by sleeping with Bambuti women, which has been given as an explanation for rape, but the report charges that the high incidence of rape and the systematic use of mass rape constitute a crime against humanity. Cecile N. from the region of North Kivu, was one of nine Bambuti women chopping firewood when about 20 rebel soldiers from the Rwandan-backed RCD-Goma appeared, armed with rifles and knives. She said that after orders from their commander: "The soldiers raped us in turn; at least two or three soldiers for one woman."
Minority Rights Group International is calling for a full investigation by the International Criminal Court into "persecution, extermination and other crimes against humanity" against the Bambuti population, with a view to prosecuting those responsible. The prosecutor, Luis Moreno Ocampo, announced last month that he intended to investigate crimes committed in the Democratic Republic of Congo, focusing on the Ituri war, in which an estimated 60,000 people have been killed. Mr Lattimer's group wants him to include the fate of the Bambuti in his investigation. The groups identified by the report include the MLC of the Vice-President, Jean-Pierre Bemba, who was one of four vice-presidents sworn in as a result of the peace accords intended to end the five-year war - the second to tear the country apart since the overthrow of the dictator Mobutu Sese Seko.
Mr Lattimer said yesterday: "The perpetrators of these crimes should be pursued and punished, no matter how high their office." But the report makes it clear that various rebel groups in the eastern region can be blamed for the attacks on the Bambuti, who are vulnerable because of the location of their villages in the jungle and their knowledge of forest paths and hunting skills. "Institutional disregard for the rights of the Bambuti and the lack of seriousness with which complaints of abuse are treated, have meant that all armed groups in the eastern DRC have been able to prey on Bambuti villages with impunity, looting and raping at will," the report says. "Where the Bambuti have been forcibly displaced from their villages, they have frequently had to live for prolonged periods unprotected in the forest, exposed to wild animals, disease and starvation."
Until now, attempts to seek redress from Congolese authorities have been in vain. "The Bambuti victims or witnesses of human rights abuses committed by the RCD-Goma universally report that redress was unobtainable," the report continues. "Complaints were never taken seriously. Reports of abuses were either dismissed out of hand, were never investigated, or the complainant was never informed of any outcome." In addition, many victims were too afraid to report the abuses, or held back because the local authorities were themselves responsible for the attacks.
An MLC representative now serving in the transitional parliament in Kinshasa yesterday defended the group against the accusations of atrocities in Ituri province, which have occurred since the International Criminal Court came into effect on 1 July 2002. "Those who were accused of taking part in cannibalism or massacres were transported to Gbadolite where they were judged before a court and the media," Thomas Luhaka told Reuters, without giving details of any convictions or sentences. He added: "If there are individuals who committed crimes and are called to appear before the ICC, the MLC will not protect them. What we don't want, however, is for foreign or national actors to use this as a political card against the MLC."
It remains to be seen whether the international court will take up the petition from the human rights campaigners, although Mr Ocampo has privately indicated that he would favour broadening his investigation to include the Bambuti. Because of the continuing unrest in the eastern region, which has gone on despite the peace accords, the prosecutor has, however, indicated that it would be difficult to start his investigation until October.
In the meantime, there are other tools that governments could use to stop the atrocities, particularly by exerting financial pressure on the recipients of development aid from western countries. "Uganda and Rwanda are strategic allies of the UK Government. The British Government writes very, very large cheques for them and should make sure that it obtains absolute assurances that none of that money is used to fund intervention in Congo," Mr Lattimer said.
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| holy fvck, i hate you so much. if i ever see you on the street, im going to kick your ass. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If you were truly starving to death, and a corpse were there, would you rather die? |
I think you're missing Pligganease's point.
HE WAS BLACK!
As a non-white, he is just evil waiting to destroy the white master race and the corpse-eating was just practice for white armageddon
Cuz that's what minorities do!
Now do you understand where he's coming from, desultude? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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WTF are you talking about? Are you saying that I'm a white supremist? You are completely ignorant. Completely. As in 100%. As in you have no brain whatsoever. As in you watch Forrest Gump and say, "Man, he's smart." As in you believe in fan death. As in you own a solar-powered flashlight.
You're dense. You're laughable. Do you understand? You're moronic.
A) This thread is ancient
B) The intent of the post was to
1. Show the idiotic ramblings of one of my co-teachers
2. Show the hysterical stories that were coming out of NO
3. Show the ignorance and gullibility of people around the world
C) I made no judgements about any member of any race, and I only commented on certain political aspects of the situations leading to the NO fiasco
So, if you are implying that anything on this thread, posted by me, is racist, or that I am racist, then you are completely ignorant or you didn't read the thread at all and were simply looking you get your daily fill of trash-talking.
Did you simply look at the thread title and think, "Wow. That's racist." Did you? Are you even capable of that level of thought? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| holy fvck, i hate you so much. if i ever see you on the street, im going to kick your ass. |
Mods, I'm having my health, life and safety threatened. If something isn't done, I'm afraid I'll have to sue this forum for a hostile environment and mental anguish. |
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