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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to clarify something for those who are not from the States, and even some who are. Possession of a handgun in New York City without a permit is illegal. New Yorkers do not routinely walk around carrying heat. They, do, however, secure their doors with multiple locks.

It is in Texas where you can get blown away for knocking on the wrong door. Legally. There was a foreign student some years back who did this and was killed. He went to the wrong address looking for a friend. The shooter was found not guilty.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:


It is in Texas where you can get blown away for knocking on the wrong door. Legally. There was a foreign student some years back who did this and was killed. He went to the wrong address looking for a friend. The shooter was found not guilty.


I don't remember that. Source?
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned everything I needed to know about New York by watching the cult classic "Warriors"'
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Gatsby



Joined: 09 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question on source.

My apologies to Texas. It was the neighboring state of Louisiana,, Baton Rouge, to be specific. The student's name was Yoshihiro Hattori.

It should be noted by foreigners that a number of states in the U.S. have laws allowing the use of firearms against trespassers. Florida passed such a law, provided that you have a fence around your property, and the person crosses the fence, you can shoot them. I believe I recall at the time of the discussion on the law that Texas had a similar law.

Vermont, on the other hand, legally allows trespassing, at least walking across wooded land. In Pennsylvania, however, there are No Trespassing signs nailed up on trees about every 50 feet of woods.

But back to the original incident. I found an account on Google Answers, headed Re: Tresspasser killed in USA.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanswers.google.com%2Fanswers%2Fthreadview%3Fid%3D369397&ei=f4vZRa7UNZnagQPh5aWtBg&usg=__dC8tI9nnG1rxD3QJuLiCv41Dt_E=&sig2=Z1pegp5Cy2G-dj7QdZg1lQ

There is an interesting comment at the end:

"I followed this and still remember when the news actually came out.

It has something to do with the language understanding at least that
was mention here in Japan. The word "freeze" sounds like "please" for
Japanese people."

Google Yoshihiro Hattori and you will find more details; also in Wikipedia.

There is a sad but true moral here for those teaching ESL: You need to make sure you teach your students enough about language and customs that they won't get killed traveling abroad.

On a side note, I happened to find this New York Times news item in the search:

A (Louisiana) state district judge should be suspended from the bench for a year and a day for appearing at a Halloween party last year in blackface, an Afro wig, handcuffs and a prison jumpsuit, the State Supreme Court was told in a hearing. The judge, Timothy Ellender, who is white, faces a range of possible punishment -- from censure to removal from the bench -- for wearing the costume at a party last Oct. 31 at a restaurant in Houma. Judge Ellender's lawyer argued that it was an unfortunate but isolated incident and that the judge, who sits in Terrebonne Parish, should not be disciplined.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=7&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.nytimes.com%2Ftop%2Freference%2Ftimestopics%2Fsubjects%2Fh%2Fhalloween%2Findex.html%3Fquery%3DLOUISIANA%26field%3Dgeo%26match%3Dexact&ei=jI_ZRem_C4HehAPhoLCmBg&usg=__UTdW0CkpmosUaXcFJddlN6vq8_I=&sig2=ki0Xn0nK8NPz1CcTrE1Lmg

I can't help wonder what Koreans would think of the U.S. if they read this, and actually understood it.
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bixlerscott



Joined: 27 Sep 2006
Location: Near Wonju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez, it must take a grad degree in Hanguel or Korean studies to even know how to order some food to your apartment door via motorbike service. Keep dat' door locked, they already prying into a window to get a look inside, damned nosy people!!!

Come to think of it, I do not even know my apartment address!!! I just know where it is physically. I use the school address for everything else needing an address, including postal. I have the school address written in Hanguel on a biz card and a taxi cannot even take me there 50% of the time when I get into a cab. (school is near apartment) This foxes em' out as the drivers are stupid guys much of the time, because they do not know how to navigate their own town!!!) This culture shocked me at first and still frustrates me. I play this musical taxis game where drivers have me get into another car again and again until we find the one who knows where I need to go, despite the fact I have it in Hanguel and they all speak it. Whats the deal?

I figure it would be feat of moving mountains to order food to my door so I just keep my door locked at all times and do not even try to order.

Just keep your door locked or they will walk in on you to get a look!
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ChopChaeJoe



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lousiana is the only state this Texan won't go back to. Those people are crazy!
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Zoidberg



Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bixlerscott wrote:
I have the school address written in Hanguel on a biz card and a taxi cannot even take me there 50% of the time when I get into a cab. (school is near apartment) This foxes em' out as the drivers are stupid guys much of the time, because they do not know how to navigate their own town!!!) This culture shocked me at first and still frustrates me. I play this musical taxis game where drivers have me get into another car again and again until we find the one who knows where I need to go, despite the fact I have it in Hanguel and they all speak it. Whats the deal?


Korean addresses generally don't tell you where the place actually is... well they do, but they are only accurate to the ri, myon, dong or wherever it is you live. The number is meaningless as far as location goes.

That's probably why taxi drivers have no idea where to go. Generally a map is better than an address.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoidberg wrote:
bixlerscott wrote:
I have the school address written in Hanguel on a biz card and a taxi cannot even take me there 50% of the time when I get into a cab. (school is near apartment) This foxes em' out as the drivers are stupid guys much of the time, because they do not know how to navigate their own town!!!) This culture shocked me at first and still frustrates me. I play this musical taxis game where drivers have me get into another car again and again until we find the one who knows where I need to go, despite the fact I have it in Hanguel and they all speak it. Whats the deal?


Korean addresses generally don't tell you where the place actually is... well they do, but they are only accurate to the ri, myon, dong or wherever it is you live. The number is meaningless as far as location goes.

That's probably why taxi drivers have no idea where to go. Generally a map is better than an address.


That's part of the culture!!! Isn't it cute?!!
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gatsby wrote:
I'd like to clarify something for those who are not from the States, and even some who are. Possession of a handgun in New York City without a permit is illegal.


i was more referring to the people in NYC who don't follow laws to the letter. i'm sure there's many.
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Zoidberg



Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:
bixlerscott wrote:
I have the school address written in Hanguel on a biz card and a taxi cannot even take me there 50% of the time when I get into a cab. (school is near apartment) This foxes em' out as the drivers are stupid guys much of the time, because they do not know how to navigate their own town!!!) This culture shocked me at first and still frustrates me. I play this musical taxis game where drivers have me get into another car again and again until we find the one who knows where I need to go, despite the fact I have it in Hanguel and they all speak it. Whats the deal?


Korean addresses generally don't tell you where the place actually is... well they do, but they are only accurate to the ri, myon, dong or wherever it is you live. The number is meaningless as far as location goes.

That's probably why taxi drivers have no idea where to go. Generally a map is better than an address.


That's part of the culture!!! Isn't it cute?!!


It is cute. I like it. I never really found it to be a problem.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
Okay, it's not a HUGE deal, but it irritates me. It happened to me all the time. The thing is, the people who've come to visit---not friends, but people affiliated with the school, or my neighbors, or delivery people---don't even attempt knocking first. They just shake the doorknob violently, pound on the door, shake the doorknob violently, pound on the door, and this goes on until I muster a 야! It was better last year, at the officetel, when I had a doorbell. Maybe closed doors are considered impolite or un-neighborly? I dunno . . .

Well, now I have a gate around my place, so I guess people can bang on it all they please.


I wish they would make that much noise here. I missed the oil man because I didn't hear him knock. -Jeff
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Why in the name of christ would anyone be at home with their door unlocked? And what city in Canada would people keep their doors unlocked? I could understand the countryside, but the city? Christ.


Indeed, but, who goes up to the door of the home of a person they don't know, and simply twists the handle and walks right on in? .



People looking for a friend who used to live at that address?

Would-be burglars?
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CiCi78 wrote:
I live in Seoul and had a post office guy with a package for me try to open the door after ringing the door bell. My door was locked but he kinda freaked me out.


I had that too one time. Scared the shit out of me. LOL Laughing

ilovebdt
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
plato's republic wrote:
Simple solution. LOCK YOUR DOOR.


No. The solution would be "DON'T TRY AND OPEN MY DOOR. IT'S MY PLACE!"

Door locked or not = Not issue

Is that simple enough for you to understand? I could draw a picture if you like.

You are being slightly paranoid here.

Yes it is not okay for them to open the door just like that, but trust me, in Korea they leave the door open for delivery guys to just come in drop the food. Makes it all go just a little bit faster, instead of waiting for 20 minutes for the customer to open the door.

There are sufficent places in the world where they DO NOT lock the front door.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fix the link up there that's eff-ing up the margins, dammit! Evil or Very Mad
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