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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
There is NO LINE between Free Speech and the promotion of Hatered. You either have free speech or you don't, you Canadian PC Nazi.


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wannago



Joined: 16 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happeningthang wrote:
supersick wrote:
Not too long ago, people in the same country were shot and killed by hooded men just for being black.

I'm sure there are other incidents where people have been attacked by a car or a cab, but that doesn't make news copy unless it involves Islam.

I wonder how a Christian cabby would take it if I said that Jesus was gay ( no offence to gays) and was always willing to give a reach around. (The hand of God takes on a new meaning) If I did that down in the bible belt of good old America, I would probably get shot and nothing about it would make national news, just some story in the local news that would read like this. "Cabby Leroy Penner pleads not guilty for murdering passenger who insulted Jesus."


It's a good point, and interesting to note that apparently it's only Foxnews who have thought it print worthy. I did a quick google to find out more, only to discover there is no more, or other, information. It's only Fox who saw a chance to sensationalise.

This driver needs a jail sentence for trying to injure people no matter the provocation (as long as it wasn't physical). Still, in what could be described as an everyday occurence (guy loses it and lashes out), it's only the fact that the guy is a muslim that piques the interest of Foxnews, and some posters here.


Or perhaps Fox was the only news outlet with the cajones to write about it. It's the CBS's of the world that concentrate on forging documents. I understand that the other "major" news networks probably couldn't find anything to make the eeeeeeevil Bushie look bad so gave it a pass. Business as usual.
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wannago



Joined: 16 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
There is NO LINE between Free Speech and the promotion of Hatered. You either have free speech or you don't, you Canadian PC Nazi.


W.T. Carl, I 've just gotta ask you: May I pretty please use this line (giving you all due credit, of course) as my sig line for a while?
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see all the Yahoo's are dancing nakedly and swiftly on the beach.

What's next -- smearing one's self with grease and telling campfire stories about the injustices of society?

DD
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are people so willing to be tolerant of these Muslim twits. Anybody who intentionally strikes anyone with car, no matter what the verbal provocation deserves a very lengthy jail sentence for attempted murder followed by deportation.

By the way I don't think Tennessee had had any KKK murders in well over a hundred years Alabama and Mississippi had a couple back in the early 60's.

The closest similar thing that I can think of is about 20 years ago Jewish teenager made a poster of Muhammed in sexual congess with a pig. There were 18 riot deaths arising out of that one. The rule for Muslims in the US should be - our country our rules - you don't like it leave. Canada of course "gives a smilling reach around".
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supernick



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freedom of speech is one thing, but what about insults. Insults are a form of harassment and though there are little federal controls on hate speech, states and local governments do. So do universities and places of employment.

Do you and others bother to read the rules on this forum?

Well, here's a reminder.

And so it's time to remind users here of a few things




The rule regarding flamming and personal attacks has not been strictly enforced on this forum, in part due to the difficulty in separating political views from flames/attacks in many instances coupled with a reluctance to over-moderate what is largely a political forum in the face of the upcoming US election.


This will now change and everyone is now on notice that personal attacks will no longer be tolerated. Users will treat each other with civility and respect regardless of the political chasms that may exist.


We're not asking people to refrain from giving their views on political parties, public figures, and events, but calling another user (for example) a crypto-fascist because they don't like Kerry or a terrorist-sympathizer because they don't agree with the war in Iraq will no longer be tolerated.


We all want the same things in life: safety/security, freedom, prosperity, and equality; Our arguments do not stem from whether or not these are our goals but rather how best to acheive them, and our political arguments here should bear this in mind. Let's have spirited debate over our differences rather than hateful personal attacks.


With the US election in sight people want to voice their political opinions more than ever; While we need to turn down the level of invective here before it completely boils over, at the same time we don't want to have to start temp-banning users left, right and center (pun intended) so let's try to keep it clean.


And because of the looming election this forum has become quite lively and consequently hard to moderate, and so we ask for your cooperation:
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In both cases please be patient and give us some time to look into the matter and rectify the situation.


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Harassment is a form of discrimination which includes comments or behavior that puts someone down, insults or offends another person because of his or her sex, creed, race, ancestry, age, sexual orientation, place of origin, ethnic orientation.
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supernick



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to be a Muslim to be twisted. As I said before, if I had made insults to a taxi driver based on his race or religion I probably would have been assaulted.

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Why are people so willing to be tolerant of these Muslim twits. Anybody who intentionally strikes anyone with car, no matter what the verbal provocation deserves a very lengthy jail sentence for attempted murder followed by deportation


I don't see what being a Muslim had any bearing on this situation.


Taxi driver says victim attacked him
His cab allegedly hit man in Boston
By Ari Bloomekatz and Michael A. Busack, Globe Correspondents | June 12, 2006

A taxi driver accused of running over and seriously injuring a man late Saturday told police the victim attacked him and a passenger before the incident.

Boston police did not identify the 40-year-old man whom the taxicab driver allegedly ran over on a Dartmouth Street sidewalk, but said he has a serious leg injury and that his wounds are not life-threatening.

Police arrested Aden Osman , 52, of Everett for allegedly running over the man, pinning him under his taxicab, and hitting three other vehicles about 6:48 p.m. Police charged him with assault and battery by means of a dangerous weapon, driving to endanger, and negligent reckless operation. Osman is scheduled to be arraigned today in Boston Municipal Court.

Police said the victim had been outside the cab, fighting with his girlfriend, who was inside the vehicle. Osman told police the victim began pounding his fists on the window, and that the victim assaulted him when he got out of the cab. The victim began to run and Osman drove his taxicab toward the man, running over him and hitting three vehicles, police said.

Ellen Kate, a dispatcher for the Independent Taxi Operators Association, said taxicab drivers often get hassled and can sometimes lose their cool. Usually, the drivers yell at the dispatchers and leave the customers alone, Kate said.

``Cab drivers are considered the bottom of the barrel, an easy target, things tend to happen. It's not a happy way to make a living anymore," Kate said.

Two of the three vehicles Osman allegedly struck were towed away with serious damage.
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wannago



Joined: 16 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

supernick wrote:
Freedom of speech is one thing, but what about insults. Insults are a form of harassment and though there are little federal controls on hate speech, states and local governments do. So do universities and places of employment.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Crying or Very sad



supernick wrote:
Do you and others bother to read the rules on this forum?

Well, here's a reminder.

And so it's time to remind users here of a few things


I'm sorry, supersick, when did you become a mod?

That's right, you didn't. Please continue with your sobbing...

supernick wrote:
Harassment is a form of discrimination which includes comments or behavior that puts someone down, insults or offends another person because of his or her sex, creed, race, ancestry, age, sexual orientation, place of origin, ethnic orientation.


Waaaaaaaaaaa....PC blubbering................Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....PC blubbering

See, we don't need anyone to remind us of your hypocrisy or lack of character.(I checked the above list: insulting one's hypocrisy or lack of character is not harassment). You do it every time you post.

Not to mention you're canadian. Dammit! I couldn't resist. Cool

Sorry, as to the OP. If you want to defend muslims, fine. Just don't lecture us about civility when these people use their religion to justify killing someone who disagrees with them.

Back to your regularly scheduled sobbing...
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
supernick wrote:
Freedom of speech is one thing, but what about insults. Insults are a form of harassment and though there are little federal controls on hate speech, states and local governments do. So do universities and places of employment.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Crying or Very sad



supernick wrote:
Do you and others bother to read the rules on this forum?

Well, here's a reminder.

And so it's time to remind users here of a few things


I'm sorry, supersick, when did you become a mod?

That's right, you didn't. Please continue with your sobbing...

supernick wrote:
Harassment is a form of discrimination which includes comments or behavior that puts someone down, insults or offends another person because of his or her sex, creed, race, ancestry, age, sexual orientation, place of origin, ethnic orientation.


Waaaaaaaaaaa....PC blubbering................Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....PC blubbering

See, we don't need anyone to remind us of your hypocrisy or lack of character.(I checked the above list: insulting one's hypocrisy or lack of character is not harassment). You do it every time you post.

Not to mention you're canadian. Dammit! I couldn't resist. Cool

Sorry, as to the OP. If you want to defend muslims, fine. Just don't lecture us about civility when these people use their religion to justify killing someone who disagrees with them.

Back to your regularly scheduled sobbing...



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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that offensive speech is also basically protected if it's based on truth. It's OK to call a spade a spade (or a pig a pig ...)

Workplace harassment laws, while arguably positive in some respects, have controversially conflicted with Freedom of Speech in many areas. These are effectively highlighted by a UCLA Law School professor on his website:http://www.law.ucla.edu/volokh/harass/

As far as distinguishing real from bhogus religion, if a so-called religion is obviously man-made (like Scientology...) it's not a real religion...

Of course, there are fanatics within every group, and people that run other people over due to perceived insults to their religion have to be prosecuted (but I don't think the fact scenario of this case is clear at this point, as far as I can tell...)

It would be a positive development, I think, if there were a (Cabinet-level?) minister in charge of interfaith understanding and cooperation. Then there could be standards of religious conduct established based on the core ideals of each major religion, which should serve to gradually promote mutual respect and mitigate sectarian conflict...
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:
Not to mention you're canadian. Dammit! I couldn't resist. Cool


Hey, man... Can't you read the forum rules? Doesn't it say "no insults?" Wink
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happeningthang



Joined: 26 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wannago wrote:

Or perhaps Fox was the only news outlet with the cajones to write about it. It's the CBS's of the world that concentrate on forging documents. I understand that the other "major" news networks probably couldn't find anything to make the eeeeeeevil Bushie look bad so gave it a pass. Business as usual.


It takes balls to incite hatred, does it? It's another way to look at it, and yeah, if you hold a prior belief that all Islamists are intolerant and murderous, then you can make a case that FoxNews are being courageous. If you don't hold that prior belief then it's just another news story of one guy losing it.

Most other broadcasters took the latter view, and probably didn't think it was overly newsworthy. And let's be honest, they don't have to search far to make the "eeeeevil Bushie" look bad. They just concentrate on a bigger picture wondering about things like foreign policy, management of a war, etc, instead of chasing after ambulances like others.
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supernick



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record, can we agree that wannago, ChukECheese and W.T.Carl think that it's perfectly OK to insult people based on their nationality, religion or race. Is that what you guys are agreeing to?

wannago wrote:

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I'm sorry, supersick, when did you become a mod?


I don't have to be a mod to remind you or others of the rules so quit your belly aching.

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Sorry, as to the OP. If you want to defend muslims, fine. Just don't lecture us about civility when these people use their religion to justify killing someone who disagrees with them
.

Sorry bud, but i never defend Muslims. Muslims, Christians a Jews often use their religion to justify wars and killing. My take on the OP was why it became a Fox news story. I simply asked a few questions to W.T. Carl and I got that all too typical American right wing mouthful of insults, which is kind of common coming from you 3 boys.

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See, we don't need anyone to remind us of your hypocrisy or lack of character.(I checked the above list: insulting one's hypocrisy or lack of character is not harassment). You do it every time you post


And yes, I can see that you have not reached passed the stage in life without hurling out insults every chance you get. It's just funny that the only people who have used insults, or supported them have been American. Who would have thought that when those words were enshrined in your Constitution that it would have been used to insult people without warrant...to insult those of different religion and colour. I don't think that was their intention when the Founding fathers drafted such a document. I think they wanted freedom of speech to empower people to have a voice in their country, and not a way of protection for those who insult others based on religion, creed, colour or nationality.

I just have to wonder why the fare was paid outside the cab. Do you think the students were trying to stif the driver for the fare?

The driver should not have used his cab a weapon, but how many of you would have sat back and let someone insult you based on your religion, colour or country of origin? I can just imagine what would happen to me if I were to go down to Itewon and hurl out some insults towards some G.I's. Do you really think the G.I.'s will file my complaint?
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RTeacher wrote:

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As far as distinguishing real from bhogus religion, if a so-called religion is obviously man-made (like Scientology...) it's not a real religion...


Well then, what's the critieria for distinguishing an "obviously man-made religion" from a God-inspired religion? Reverend Moon claims to be getting messgaes from heaven on a regular basis, and his followers almost certainly accept this as true. How can the government ascertain that Moon's messages-from-God are any more bogus than Christ's were?
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It matters not wether my nieghbor has one God, a thousand Gods or no God at all. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" However, if member of a religion decides to "pick my pocket or break my leg" ect. in the name of said religion, I reserve the right to decorate my trees with them. THIS IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

"I do not agree with a word you say but will defend to the death your right to say it". THIS IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Any questions?

THUS ENDTH THE LESSON.

NOTE: I regret referring to Canadians as being PC Nazis. While I have met a great number of Canadians only a large number were ignorant selfrighteous pompous PC Nazis.
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