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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Koreans saying they dislike Korea Reply with quote

Strange. Met a couple of Koreans the past couple of days who had not much good to say about their country. One said, when you leave, you would be better off not coming back, in a matter of fact way, not unkindly. Have you met many who echo this opinion?
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Koreans give up citizenship
by Lee Sun-young, The Korea Herald (January 17, 2005)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/01/17/200501170007.asp

Koreans Look Outward to Seek Better Life: Increasing Number of Technicians, Other Professionals Join Emigration Tide
By Chung Ah-young, The Korea Times (October 27, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/special/200410/kt2004102718575545250.htm

Koreans Who Earned Doctorate Degrees in the U.S. Do Not Want to Return
Donga.com (December 19, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006121920558

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

Korea Becomes Less Business-Friendly
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200609/200609060025.html

Survey: Koreans unhappy at work
by Kwon Hyuk-joo and Lim Mi-jin, JoongAng Ilbo (August 28, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/27/200608272308261879900090509051.html

Koreans Flock to Emigration Fair
By Mike Weisbart, Korea Times (March 27, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200503/kt2005032719145611990.htm

Rotten to the Core?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html

A Country of Liars
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans saying they dislike Korea Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Have you met many who echo this opinion?

Sure. Unfortunately, he said it at a farewell dinner party with the other adult students in his class, and he was intently stared at (all with their hands in the Thumbs Up position, signifying "Korea is the greatest" I assume). After 30 seconds of uncomfortable silence as they stared at him en masse, he gulps and slowly brings up his thumb, too. Everyone goes back to drinking because the heathen has changed his opinion to the obviously correct opinion of the group.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude, man, we were talking about this back in 2003!

About a third of English-speaking Korean adults I meet think very highly of my home country, Canada, and nearby America, in fact, the very same people who praise them endlessly are the same who think little of the future of theirs in their own country.

Economic factors play a huge part.

Talk with your adult students, make a few English-speaking Korean friends, it's not hard to find Koreans who are critical about their country and would love to leave. They are not critical of their country's values, not transcending their upbringing, instead more like the logical endpoint of a very Korean trait to get ahead and not fall behind, keep up with the Kims, and improve one's economic lot. And given what Western countries symbolize to them: wealth, their reactions are very much KOrean, as much as the defensively hostile, secretly jealous nationalism which manifests perpetually.
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Sine qua non



Joined: 18 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
More Koreans give up citizenship
by Lee Sun-young, The Korea Herald (January 17, 2005)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/01/17/200501170007.asp

Koreans Look Outward to Seek Better Life: Increasing Number of Technicians, Other Professionals Join Emigration Tide
By Chung Ah-young, The Korea Times (October 27, 2004)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/special/200410/kt2004102718575545250.htm

Koreans Who Earned Doctorate Degrees in the U.S. Do Not Want to Return
Donga.com (December 19, 2006)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006121920558

96.5% of Young Employees Wish To Work Abroad
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409060026.html

Korea Becomes Less Business-Friendly
Chosun Ilbo (September 6, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200609/200609060025.html

Survey: Koreans unhappy at work
by Kwon Hyuk-joo and Lim Mi-jin, JoongAng Ilbo (August 28, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200608/27/200608272308261879900090509051.html

Koreans Flock to Emigration Fair
By Mike Weisbart, Korea Times (March 27, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200503/kt2005032719145611990.htm

Rotten to the Core?
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200310/200310080034.html

A Country of Liars
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html


When you list citations, would you mind listing them in reverse chronlogical order? That way it is easier to more easily see the recent news items at the top of the post.

Thanks!
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Muffin



Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Location: Turkey

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes one or two of my Korean friends express surprise that anyone returns to work in Korea and one of them definitely wants to live in the US.

I had this bizarre Korean colleague who although he had spent 3 years in Canada and 27 in Korea, would deny any knowledge of Korean food or culture. At dinner time my Canadian colleague and myself would ask him 'what's this sauce for?' and he would shrug and say 'I dunno I only eat junk food' steadfastly munching his jam sandwiches.

If I related any act of kindness on the part of my Korean neighbours he would be incredulous 'I didn't know Korean people were that kind!'

He was always going to Itaewon trying to pick up western girls in the hope of marrying and escaping.
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many waygooki couples have you met that expressed similiar feelings? Its not a feeling specific to one nation, except maybe Haiti.
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hairy sue



Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans saying they dislike Korea Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Strange. Met a couple of Koreans the past couple of days who had not much good to say about their country. One said, when you leave, you would be better off not coming back, in a matter of fact way, not unkindly. Have you met many who echo this opinion?


Never met them.
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leebumlik69



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: DiRectly above you. Pissing Down

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans saying they dislike Korea Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Strange. Met a couple of Koreans the past couple of days who had not much good to say about their country. One said, when you leave, you would be better off not coming back, in a matter of fact way, not unkindly. Have you met many who echo this opinion?


the grass is always greener on the other....

(Some) Koreans take their home country for granted. I wish I could say that it was some form of open mindedness that Korea is not perfect and that there are other good countries but really it's just a case my first sentance. That and listening to the BS a lot of Waygooks tells them:

"Sure, come to my country. There's social welfare. It smells great and there's no spitting (don't mention the driveby's, drugs, segregation, and high prices etc.)".

There's no utopias.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an editorial in that Joong Ang Ilbo English pullout stuffed into the International Herald Tribune a couple of weeks ago that I read on my flight to the states from Seoul. It was written by a guy in his 50's , a Korean baby boomer.

Titled "If they don't want us, let's just leave" - - or something like that - -it lightheartedly called on the baby boomers who have been forced to retire in their 50's to just sell their expensive apartments and move overseas, where they could buy a nice home with land and still have a lot left over, could live on their pensions and could start new businesses.

His editorial was prompted by the frustration of the hard reality in Korea where male workers in the early fifties are being pushed out to make room and jobs for the younger generation coming out Korea's university education factories.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans saying they dislike Korea Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Strange. Met a couple of Koreans the past couple of days who had not much good to say about their country. One said, when you leave, you would be better off not coming back, in a matter of fact way, not unkindly. Have you met many who echo this opinion?


I've met a few Korean women who are like this- they've spent a few years abroad and realize it doesn't make sense that they can't smoke outside, have to wear two layers of eyeliner at the gym, be under such intense pressure to marry soon, etcetera.
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