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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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I was mistaken - in my spelling of bogus (everything else that I asserted was essentially correct, though...)
The sheer number of sects, cults, and "alternative religions" may suggest that it's difficult to define exactly what constitutes a real religion, but practically all of them are related to major religions.
And the fact remains that there needs to be a focus on worshipping God, scriptures at least arguably attributable to God, and spiritual leaders sincerely following and teaching how to follow the orders of God. Developing or reviving our original love of God is the goal of all real religions, and it's at the heart of Christianity, Islam, and the original monotheistic Vaishnava religion of ancient India.
In a very real sense, all these religions are essentially - to use the terminology of the oldest religion - bhakti yoga: devotional service to the supreme being is taught by spiritual teachers who have realized their relationship with God, and who personify the teachings of revealed scriptures. There is also a tradition of saintly persons within those three major religions (and some types of devotional Buddhism...)
So, in the case of an organization like the Unification Church, one can make the case that it's a Christian sect. However, it's link with Jesus - the main spiritual master of Christianity - is dubious because Reverend Moon claims to be an incarnation of Jesus.
The symptoms by which a real spiritual leader can be recognized are indicated in all the major scriptures, and they are most elaborately presented in the quintessential Vedic literature, Bhagavad-gita.
Basically, an authentic spiritual leader is a pure devotee. Twenty six devotional qualities can be discerned in the person of a pure devotee, including being peaceful, humble, compassionate, self-controlled, grave, kind to everyone, fixed in the Absolute Truth, and without material hankering...
http://www.harekrishnatemple.com/bhakta/chapter23.html
http://guru.krishna.org/Articles/2000/06/00001.html
Any objective person familiar with these criteria would reject Reverend Moon as a bona fide spiritual leader because of his obvious materialistic tendencies and involvement in mundane politics ... |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Deport him. I hope he dies in Somalia |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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More yahoos.........such small ideas and small people.
DD |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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More yahoos.........such small ideas and small people.
DD |
Thats right. We are all small minded while some lunatic cabbie who tried to kill people is a saint. I mean he is 100% right to try and kill people who disagree with his religion.
I hope when he does get deported he gets a bullet in the head from some Ethipoian soldier. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| think that offensive speech is also basically protected if it's based on truth. It's OK to call a spade a spade (or a pig a pig ...) |
that would mean everyone thinks the exact same thing...so you can force people into the same ideals to enact your theory or you can brace yourself, grow a pair, and realize that people disagree and feelings will be hurt.
it depends on what you think is more important, the fact that your precious feelings should never be hurt or you should never encounter an opposing idea, or that we are free and allowed to express ourselves as long as it does not physically damage people or property.
perhaps my truth is that you are a twit. to me, i am calling a spade a spade.... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| We are all small minded while some lunatic cabbie who tried to kill people is a saint. |
That would be a devastating putdown of the people who are endorsing this cabbie's crimes, if anyone like that were actually posting on this thread. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Never ever said anyone was right. Just that there are yahoos about.
Glad to see you inCRIMINALated yourself.
DD |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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More yahoos.........such small ideas and small people.
DD |
if only we could all be so enlightened like you, to hide behind the veneer of a black man laughing for an iota of street cred.
you are such a cliche..... an emotional wigger. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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More yahoos.........such small ideas and small people.
DD |
It�s best not to give them any more attention, as that is what many people who lack certain faculties of reasonable thought seek to accomplish. Don't blame them, just try to understand them and show a little pity.
What do they hope to accomplish by insulting people based on nationality, religion or race? It only reveals more about them and their ignorance. I can handle being a Jew and being Canadian, but I wouldn't want to be going through life where I would need (or want) to insult people based on the colour of their skin, religion or nationality.
As for the O/P, there's more to the story.
http://www.independentconservative.com/2007/02/20/ibrahim_ahmed_history/
This was one bad cabbie, and I'm sure there are others like him from other faiths.
I doubt that he would get deported if found guilty. Who knows, he could be a U.S. citizen by now. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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What do they hope to accomplish by insulting people based on nationality, religion or race? |
Perhaps, you missed the fact that his reason for trying to kill them was religion. Thereby his barbaric backwards religion is fair game. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps, you missed the fact that his reason for trying to kill them was religion. Thereby his barbaric backwards religion is fair game. |
Are you saying that because of the actions a this cab driver, it is now open season on Muslims?
I don't know if was just over religion. The victim nor the cabby have said anything. I have read that they had a heated exchange on religion, and that's about it.
From what I've read so far, it sounds like this cabby is a bit of a nut job.
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| What do they hope to accomplish by insulting people based on nationality, religion or race? |
This has nothing to do with wht might have occued in the taxi, it's about people who insult (and I'm not talking about those barbaric backwards types), I'm refering to people on this forum who think it's fine to insult people based on nationality, race or religion, and what they hope to accomplish by doing such things.
No, it's not OK to use a cab as a weapon, and let the law take care of that. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Perhaps, you missed the fact that his reason for trying to kill them was religion. Thereby his barbaric backwards religion is fair game. |
Are you saying that because of the actions a this cab driver, it is now open season on Muslims?
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Hmmmm I must have been having a real nightmare over the last few years, because it seems to me its not just this cabbie. Unless you want me to belive AQ, Taliban, Bali, suicide bombers in Israel, Madrid, London, etc etc etc were all the doings of this single cabbie. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmmmm I must have been having a real nightmare over the last few years, because it seems to me its not just this cabbie. Unless you want me to belive AQ, Taliban, Bali, suicide bombers in Israel, Madrid, London, etc etc etc were all the doings of this single cabbie. |
Are you now saying that the actions of the cabbie were equal to terrorist attacks at the above locations? This is simply a case where a group of people had a heated exchange. Maybe there were some insults, maybe there were some threats. I don't know, and neither do you but to equate this incident to terrorists attacks is, well...
Cabbies are known for being at the bottom of the barrel(as was said in my link) and I'm sure white non Muslims have used their cabs as weapons in the past.
Now, if you can find a cabbie who is using his or her hard in cash to fund terrorists groups, then I suggest you focus on that as opposed to some deranged taxi driver in Nashville.
What do you mean when you said that the reason for trying to kill them was religion? The article said they had a heated exchange on the topic of religion. If I heard that the cabby said, I kill you in the name of Alla, then you'll have a point, but it could be that he tried to kill them because he lost his temper, and that's the reason for most assaults.
There have been other bombings in Madrid and other parts of Spain. There have also been bombings in London and other parts the Uk and let's not forget the Oklahoma bombing. None of these acts were carried out by Muslims. In fact, the one in Oklahoma was carried out by an x-soldier who was an R/Catholic. Spain has been attack more often by a separatist group and the UK has lost more lives (than by Islamists) to bombings carried out by the IRA which received huge amounts of funding from citizens of the U.S. and from those in Canada.
There are wackos from all faiths, and if you want to believe that this incident was some type of Jihad or based on religion, that is your choice. You could be right but I think it's more to do with losing one's temper.
If this man had a license to drive a taxi, and was employed after being fired brings to question who are these people who license such fools, and who employs them.
Let the wheels of justice take it course, and let's not do anything too barbaric like putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Hmmmm I must have been having a real nightmare over the last few years, because it seems to me its not just this cabbie. Unless you want me to belive AQ, Taliban, Bali, suicide bombers in Israel, Madrid, London, etc etc etc were all the doings of this single cabbie. |
Are you now saying that the actions of the cabbie were equal to terrorist attacks at the above locations? |
You mean in trying to kill people of a different religion and having the motive be religion? Well gee, maybe?
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| This is simply a case where a group of people had a heated exchange. |
True....except people get into heated exchanges all the time without trying to kill people. A religiously motivated attempted killing by a Muslim....where have we see that before...
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| Maybe there were some insults, maybe there were some threats. I don't know, and neither do you but to equate this incident to terrorists attacks is, well... |
Accurate?
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| Now, if you can find a cabbie who is using his or her hard in cash to fund terrorists groups, then I suggest you focus on that as opposed to some deranged taxi driver in Nashville. |
He's a cell all onto himself.
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| What do you mean when you said that the reason for trying to kill them was religion? The article said they had a heated exchange on the topic of religion. |
Do yu even read what you write?
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| If I heard that the cabby said, I kill you in the name of Alla, then you'll have a point, but it could be that he tried to kill them because he lost his temper, and that's the reason for most assaults. |
Seems the muslim world is losing its temper quite a lot. With deadly consequences for non-muslims.
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| There have been other bombings in Madrid and other parts of Spain. There have also been bombings in London and other parts the Uk and let's not forget the Oklahoma bombing. None of these acts were carried out by Muslims. |
A handful of counter examples doesnt disprove the FACT that the vast majority of terrorist attacks have been done by Muslims.
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| There are wackos from all faiths, and if you want to believe that this incident was some type of Jihad or based on religion, that is your choice. You could be right but I think it's more to do with losing one's temper. |
Sure, every religion has its wackos. Islam just has the vast majority of the world's wackos.
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| If this man had a license to drive a taxi, and was employed after being fired brings to question who are these people who license such fools, and who employs them. |
Ahh yes. The punishment for double attempted murder should be loss of employment. What should the punishment for a bomb in a subway be? Public ostricism?
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| Let the wheels of justice take it course, and let's not do anything too barbaric like putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger. |
Let me do it. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Then you are no different from the barbaric ones.
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| A handful of counter examples doesnt disprove the FACT that the vast majority of terrorist attacks have been done by Muslims |
Will you also say that the vast majority of assaults and muders inthe U.S. are commited by Muslims?
This is an incident of a crimminal act of violence. People are charged for attempted murder every day. It was not an act of terroism, and the driver is not being charged as such.
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| Sure, every religion has its wackos. Islam just has the vast majority of the world's wackos |
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Proof?
I can't understand why so many of them become suicide bombers, but then again i can't understand why Iraq was invaded for the reasons given, and then those actions supported and endorsed by the majority of Americans. Sure, there's been a change of opinion, but there was a time that the Bush team had the support of the American people.
How many in the White House house could we say are wakos?
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| A handful of counter examples doesnt disprove the FACT that the vast majority of terrorist attacks have been done by Muslims. |
That kind of depends. If you remove attacks in Afgahnistan and Iraq (as those are deemed war zones) I would have to say that terrorists attacks in Spain have mosty been commited by Spanish who might be R/Catholic, and by far, the UK has suffered much more by terrorist attacks by the IRA than they have by Islamists. In the U.S. who've had one very big one at two locations and one by a white R/Catholic. So yes, in the U.S. most terrorists attacks have been by Muslims. And yes, Isreal has seen it's share of terrorist attacks, and let's also remember an assasination, but that was done by a Jew. |
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