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Indophil
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: What should i expect from 6 month contract |
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Just wondering, I have been emailed a few offers saying they have 6 month contracts starting around now, but the conditions include no severance pay and no return ticket.
Does that mean they wont pay for my trip TO Korea either, or just the way back?
Would I be selling myself short if I said ok to no severance on a 1/2 yr contract?
And also the job includes a visa run to Japan, anyone know when it would take place - at the start, in the middle of my contract?
Additional info: I have an Irish passport, and I currently live in Berlin, Germany.
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Whether it's 6 months or a year, you should get a severence pay and they should pay for your flights.
You might be able to negotiate severence. Ask for half a month's severence, but get your flights paid for. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Probably 6 months you wish you could get back, but who knows?
You may get lucky. |
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goodgood
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
Whether it's 6 months or a year, you should get a severence pay and they should pay for your flights.
You might be able to negotiate severence. Ask for half a month's severence, but get your flights paid for. |
I seriously doubt this. No job would pay two flights on a six month, let alone any kind of severance. You're crazy.
What about a one month contract? Would you expect two flights and a 1/12th year severance? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| goodgood wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
Whether it's 6 months or a year, you should get a severence pay and they should pay for your flights.
You might be able to negotiate severence. Ask for half a month's severence, but get your flights paid for. |
I seriously doubt this. No job would pay two flights on a six month, let alone any kind of severance. You're crazy.
What about a one month contract? Would you expect two flights and a 1/12th year severance? |
Yes, I would. That's what people normally get. Get yer head out of yer arse. That's why schools/hagwons/summer camps tend to pay more for short-term contracts. It's not actually written in as severence. You just get more money than usual.
If they want me to fly there for 6 months, they better damn well be ready to fly me back.
Maybe there's a thread you can participate in that helps deal with mentally-handicapped issues like where to put your keys or how to pay for the bus.
You're no help here. |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I seriously doubt any hagwon or school will pay severence on a 6 month contract. They may pay your flight here, but I doubt they will pay for your flight back.
From the people whom I know who have done summer and winter camps, those that had to be flown in from North America where paid less than those that were already in Korea. The Visa run is much cheaper to Japan, and the person who took the winter camp already had her flight home paid. So the camp could offer her more.
I don't know of any school that would fly someone over and back home for a six month contract, and pay severence. It is not cost effective. No school is obliged to give severence or a flight home on a six month contract. They aren't even required to pay for the flight here. That is just the norm, because it is an insentive to bring people over.
I agree with goodgood on this one. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| polonius wrote: |
I seriously doubt any hagwon or school will pay severence on a 6 month contract. They may pay your flight here, but I doubt they will pay for your flight back.
From the people whom I know who have done summer and winter camps, those that had to be flown in from North America where paid less than those that were already in Korea. The Visa run is much cheaper to Japan, and the person who took the winter camp already had her flight home paid. So the camp could offer her more.
I don't know of any school that would fly someone over and back home for a six month contract, and pay severence. It is not cost effective. No school is obliged to give severence or a flight home on a six month contract. They aren't even required to pay for the flight here. That is just the norm, because it is an insentive to bring people over.
I agree with goodgood on this one. |
They want him for 6 months. He's not in Korea. If they want him then they should pay for all that. If they don't want to pay for all that then he shouldn't take the job.
They're going to fly him here, right? Why wouldn't they fly him back? What's the difference in cost between a one-way and a return ticket? Hmm?
Of course he should get some severence. Just because it's not cost-effective for the employer doesn't mean he shouldn't try and get what he deserves.
If they don't fly you over, don't work for them. If they do, the difference in price between one-way and return is minimal. If they have to fly you to Japan for a visa, that's their problem.
That all being said, yes, they would be better off hiring in-country. But if they can get some sucker to fly himself over and pay him peanuts then by all means, be the patsy. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: What should i expect from 6 month contract |
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| Indophil wrote: |
Just wondering, I have been emailed a few offers saying they have 6 month contracts starting around now, but the conditions include no severance pay and no return ticket.
Does that mean they wont pay for my trip TO Korea either, or just the way back?
Would I be selling myself short if I said ok to no severance on a 1/2 yr contract?
And also the job includes a visa run to Japan, anyone know when it would take place - at the start, in the middle of my contract?
Additional info: I have an Irish passport, and I currently live in Berlin, Germany.
Thanks for the help |
Don't take it. Sign a one-year contact with someone else. Like a previous poster said, they'll probably hire in-country anyway if they have half a brain. If you want, go ahead and sign a 6-month contract, but don't sign with this place. They sound very risky. If they need you immediately then chances are they won't be sending you to Japan for you're visa right away and you'll be working illegally. When you're working illegally they can cheat you.
For severence on a 6-month contract, tack on an extra 1 or 200,000/month to their offered salary. Negotiate.
There's no reason why they can't get a return ticket. They should. |
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polonius
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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While on my smoke break I realized that it might have been the school that was offering only a 6 month contract, while I assumed that the OP had requested it. I should have asked, did the OP ask for a 6 month contract, or was that what they are offering. If they are offering only 6 month contracts, then I suppose that is a different story.
I would shy away from a contract that is only 6 months (unless that is all you are able to commint to), as they are trying to get away from having to pay certain things, as mentioned before. |
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goodgood
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Ha ha, this is ridiculous- is there one person out there who agrees with yingwenlaoshi? Anyone? Anyone?
A r/t flight plus severance (or your extra pay version of severance) on a six month contract ain't gonna happen.
Maybe he should go for a year contract and get two r/t flights- that would be awesome, right? Or why not ask for three? That would be even better!!
Reality and what you think reality should be are two different things. Your advice is based on the latter, and is misleading. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| goodgood wrote: |
Ha ha, this is ridiculous- is there one person out there who agrees with yingwenlaoshi? Anyone? Anyone?
A r/t flight plus severance (or your extra pay version of severance) on a six month contract ain't gonna happen.
Maybe he should go for a year contract and get two r/t flights- that would be awesome, right? Or why not ask for three? That would be even better!!
Reality and what you think reality should be are two different things. Your advice is based on the latter, and is misleading. |
Not misleading. You're the one being misleading. Plenty of people get short-term contracts and are compensated for above the regular salary.
He's not going to fly here on his own bill to come to a job that he might get. So, if they're paying for him to fly here, they might as well get a return ticket because the cost is the same.
Reality is that they would be better off hiring in country, and they're searching for all avenues. Why not hire someone who's willing to forget about severence and a free flight?
Reality is that people like you are telling prospective comers that they should accept everything at face value and not try to negotiate anything.
goodgood,
Enjoy your measly pay and getting humped in the rear by your employer because you're not going to be able to convince me that you are not being screwed right now if that's the attitude you have towards getting what you can out of something.
OP,
Try to negotiate with either a higher salary or some sort of severence package at the end of your contract. Convince them to fly you there. If they're going to fly you there, make sure it's return. Convince them that it's the one-way and return are the same price. An employer is going to want to hold on to something that will assure you stay till your 6 months are up.
What I'm giving is good advice. Don't listen to that tard.
Shop around. Negotiate. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
Whether it's 6 months or a year, you should get a severence pay and they should pay for your flights.
You might be able to negotiate severence. Ask for half a month's severence, but get your flights paid for. |
Severence is mandated only upon completing 12 months. So no, no severence. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
Whether it's 6 months or a year, you should get a severence pay and they should pay for your flights.
You might be able to negotiate severence. Ask for half a month's severence, but get your flights paid for. |
Severence is mandated only upon completing 12 months. So no, no severence. |
True, but you can negotiate some severence and put it in a 6-month contract. Be it included in your salary or given to you once the contract's completed. Once it's in the contract, you get it.
The law only recognizing 1-year contracted employees having the right to a severence pay is not what's being argued here.
Of course the employer can or will say "No. Only year contracts get severence."
Lets' say the OP is being offered 2 million/month. What's to stop him asking for 2.2 or 2 million plus a severence (or "bonus" just in case I'm not using the correct term). It's not like the employer can decide after signing the contract that the law states that he doesn't have to. It's not against the law to offer someone a bonus after six months. |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Re: What should i expect from 6 month contract |
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| And also the job includes a visa run to Japan, anyone know when it would take place - at the start, in the middle of my contract? |
Your "visa run" should take place as soon as possible. You can't work without one regardless of what your employer tells you. It wouldn't hurt to have contractual language specifying when you'll obtain an E2 Visa. In fact, I haven't seen this in any labor contracts. |
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gsxr750r
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Expect to have them rewrite the contract in six months -- probably in a way you won't want. That's what happened to me, so I split.
My advice is to start looking for other jobs at least a month out. If you get a good one, let them know so they don't dink you around on the next contract if you want to stay, and they still want you. Otherwise, they will play typical Korean and try to make you work more, pay you less, or whatever on the next contract. |
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