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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Hmm, which is less surprising: The fact that another person has come up with some sort of "evidence" that Jesus is dead/was married/had a child/was really a woman/was gay/came from India/shot JFK etc., or the fact that many at Dave's have used yet another thread to mock the religious? |
As opposed to the bulk of you shouting sinner, infidel, or some other such epithet at the non-religious since the dawn of time? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Hmm, which is less surprising: The fact that another person has come up with some sort of "evidence" that Jesus is dead/was married/had a child/was really a woman/was gay/came from India/shot JFK etc., or the fact that many at Dave's have used yet another thread to mock the religious? |
Let's just stick to mocking the ridiculous and leave water walking sky climbing baby Jesus alone. |
Question answered. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I read the reviews for the book here, and found this one particularly useful (I need to warn you of spoilers.).
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The author of the Christ Clone trilogy is obviously a very intelligent man. I've always been amazed at how a truly intellectually gifted man can be a fundamentalist Christian, which means he/she takes everything in the Bible literally, and thereby misses much of the deeper message and beauty, since spiritual literature of all kinds uses poetry and metaphor.
Well, nonetheless, the author has written a tight and fun FANTASY series about the Christian End Times, although I doubt the author sees it as fiction, but as a warning of what is to come.
A few problems I have with the book:
1. At one point, the author describes one of the "bad people" as a gay man. Now obviously the author has never really known a gay man as a friend or he is intentionally smearing what it means to be gay. In this book, the gay man is described as loving his lacy white underwear. EXCUSE ME, BUT GAY MEN DO NOT WEAR LACY WHITE UNDERWEAR! Perhaps transexuals (men who wish they were women) enjoy lace underwear, but all the gay men I have known (and I lived in San Francisco many years), love the masculine. So you'd be more likely to find a gay man wearing black leather than white lace! I interpreted this as an intentional slam against gay people, since fundamentalist Christians, especially men, seem terrified and very intolerant of gay men.
2. The author pretty flatly states that Satan works through the New Age to mislead humankind. He even mentions certain series of books, such as the SETH SPEAKS (Jane Roberts) and COURSE OF MIRACLES. Ironically, the Course of Miracles is part of my Christian CHurch curriculum, and I don't think Satan is teaching the class! The New Age is not a coherent movement, it is merely a marketing category under which a lot of music and products are placed that don't fit anywhere else! Acupuncture was once considered New Age, along with any type of alternative healing like chiropractors and essential oils. In summary, this was another intentional slam by the author against a classification of product that has very little meaning in and of itself.
3. I was annoyed that the author would go to excruciating detail about some things, e.g., the setup of the UN, streets in Jerusalem, but left us in the dark about WHY a clone of Jesus Christ would be evil? I know 2 identical twins (natural clones) and one is not evil while the other is good. They are both middle of the road guys, basically good but self-centered at times like the rest of us. But since science played such a big part in this story, I just did not read a convincing reason why the clone of Jesus would naturally be the anti-Christ, and that this clone would secretly know this from a very young age. You can't call it demon seed, since the clone was made 100% from Jesus cells. So the story crashes at that point, and you have to set asside reason. Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention a character named John, who was 2000 years old. The author keeps this figure a stick person without any real flesh around him. What has he been doing for 2000 years, buying Microsoft stock?
4. I think the author should have ended the story BEFORE attempting to describe eternal life in the New Earth, where Jesus was going to rule for 1000 years. Evidently, his rule will not be enough to keep the saved in line, since the author claims that Jesus has to create this entire governmental bureaucracy! Imagine heaven having a post office! I just thought this ending of the book, showing all the saved congratulating each other and floating around the New Earth like hummingbirds was a bit much. I think such times should be left to the imagination of the reader, since I found them rather silly. For example, the earth was a wonderful garden like Eden. Well, what about people with pollen allergies? What if I am a city slicker and hate gardens?
Well, except for the above points where the author's rather stinky fundamentalist odor crept out of the pages, the book was a fun read. If you are a fundamentalist CHristian, you will probably enjoy it much more than I did. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think that this book is probably closer to the truth (based on the premise that Jesus had traveled to India as a youth, had mastered mystic yoga, and was absorbed in complete samadhi - and therefore was only apparently killed on the cross ...)
 This masterful work presents irrefutable evidence that Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion, escaped from Roman Judea, traveled eastward, and took up residence in Kashmir, India, where he probably had a family and lived to the age of 120 years.
He is buried under the Rozabal mausoleum in the Kan Yar section of Srinagar, Kashmir, India. The Rozabal is a large structure, still intact, and visited by people from around the world.
The best summary of work in this field. Thirty pictures and charts include actual Sanskrit, Tibetan and Persian language documents-with full English translations- that clearly and explicitly record the sojourn of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion ...
This masterful work presents irrefutable evidence that Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion, escaped from Roman Judea, traveled eastward, and took up residence in Kashmir, India, where he probably had a family and lived to the age of 120 years.
He is buried under the Rozabal mausoleum in the Kan Yar section of Srinagar, Kashmir, India. The Rozabal is a large structure, still intact, and visited by people from around the world.
The best summary of work in this field. Thirty pictures and charts include actual Sanskrit, Tibetan and Persian language documents-with full English translations- that clearly and explicitly record the sojourn of Jesus Christ after the crucifixion...
http://www.geocities.com/emerging.geo/savior.html
Here's a picture of that tomb (from another site...)
 http://www.thoughtsnmemories.net/jesustomb.htm |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| This masterful work presents irrefutable evidence that Jesus Christ survived the crucifixion, |
Survived the crucifixion? Hmm that would make him an amazing man right there. It would be be kinda on par of surviving an electric chair in todays terminology.
The romans weren't bad at executions, suprised they would have botched a public one like that. But each to his own. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Being impaled on a cross is something that en empowered son of God with full mystic powers could easily survive ... There are many different interpretations, including this one, which has him passing away in Rome in his 70s...
"Those who say that the Lord died first and then rose up are in error, for he rose up first and then died."�Gospel of Philip
http://hamsa.org/resurrection.htm |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I must stand corrected. It seems that some have survived a crucifixion according to wikipedia.
In his case, ?
It seems its on par with surviving a hanging. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Being impaled on a cross is something that en empowered son of God with full mystic powers could easily survive ... There are many different interpretations, including this one, which has him passing away in Rome in his 70s...
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Dude, nobody was IMPALED on a cross....impaling was a TOOOOOOOOOOOOTALY different thing. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The religious are above being mocked? I don't get it. The establishment can't take it on the chin? Boo hoo. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Hmm, which is less surprising: The fact that another person has come up with some sort of "evidence" that Jesus is dead/was married/had a child/was really a woman/was gay/came from India/shot JFK etc., or the fact that many at Dave's have used yet another thread to mock the religious? |
Let's just stick to mocking the ridiculous and leave water walking sky climbing baby Jesus alone. |
Question answered. |
I can't say that I was at all shocked, can you? The Christiphobes on this board pounce on whatever they can. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
Being impaled on a cross is something that en empowered son of God with full mystic powers could easily survive ... There are many different interpretations, including this one, which has him passing away in Rome in his 70s...
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Dude, nobody was IMPALED on a cross....impaling was a TOOOOOOOOOOOOTALY different thing. |
Exactly. That's what the Christians did to the non believers. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Hmm, which is less surprising: The fact that another person has come up with some sort of "evidence" that Jesus is dead/was married/had a child/was really a woman/was gay/came from India/shot JFK etc., or the fact that many at Dave's have used yet another thread to mock the religious? |
Let's just stick to mocking the ridiculous and leave water walking sky climbing baby Jesus alone. |
Question answered. |
I thought 'Jesus' was the answer...
...and 'Who never existed?' was the question. *hits symbols* |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| Hmm, which is less surprising: The fact that another person has come up with some sort of "evidence" that Jesus is dead/was married/had a child/was really a woman/was gay/came from India/shot JFK etc., or the fact that many at Dave's have used yet another thread to mock the religious? |
Let's just stick to mocking the ridiculous and leave water walking sky climbing baby Jesus alone. |
Question answered. |
I thought 'Jesus' was the answer...
...and 'Who never existed?' was the question. *hits symbols* |
Speaking of ridiculous, I think you meant "cymbals," genius. |
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Delirium's Brother
Joined: 08 May 2006
Location: Out in that field with Rumi, waiting for you to join us!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Also how can anyone have DNA evidence? Does someone somewhere have a vial of Christ's DNA to compare to |
That was my first question. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Also how can anyone have DNA evidence? Does someone somewhere have a vial of Christ's DNA to compare to |
as you know there are tons of 'real' pieces of the cross out there....I think the pope has several...would it be possible to get DNA from thse sources and then look for some sort of match with the recent findings?? It'd be a hell of a lot of work but interesting.... |
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