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Pligganease
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Location: The deep south...
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It's simple. The group organizing the tourney said that the headscarf represented a potential choking hazard. They said that they wouldn't allow anyone to wear it. Period. No BS. No political motivation. No religious stance. Simple safety.
Besides, having a head covering while playing soccer offers an unfair advantage by padding the head. Soccer requires the use of the head, and having that extra layer of protection is unfair.
Also, having your children wear a headscarf is no more child abuse than dressing your kid up for Halloween or having your child help out around the family farm. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Happeningthing,
In essence to me, the issue is cultural |
you strike me as the kind to accept anything on "cultural" grounds. |
Why should it not be accepted? Is it okay if I score a goal and get on the ground and do the sign of the cross? Yes, it is a religious expression. Am I harming by doing the sign of the cross or saying Baruch Hashem and uttering a Jewish prayer just loud enough for an opponent to hear?
Is giving liberty to the girl to wear it really harming anyone? Canadian schools do not ban the hijab. If they did, then I might understand the ban on the field. I am not quick to accept things based on cultural reasons. I don't approve really of the Sikh blade in school, because it only applies to a minority of sikhs and why should someone carry a blade for religious reasons? A blade is a symbol of violence. You might argue that a hijab is a symbol of violence, but a hijab is not really something that can be used as a weapon like that blade. Is there a real threat by having this hijab there? Does the girl appear to be coerced by her parents to wear it?
It does not appear to be the case. Her mother appears to be of European extraction rather than from the Middle East. So the claim that she was allegedly coerced by her European-Canadian mum doesn't seem likely.
Her mum is named Maria. I do support the ban of the hijab in France because France is a secular country that doesn't allow religious symbols. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Putting a veil on a kid suggests a deeply dysfunctional father who is afraid of his own sexual attraction to his kid.
I will not endorse this child abuse. The girl should be removed from her home for child abuse and put in a nice, secular household where she will be free to be free. Enough of this. |
Yeah!! Where are the police to protect us from how other people raise their children!!
WARNING: graphic pictures of child abuse below!!
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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It's simple. The group organizing the tourney said that the headscarf represented a potential choking hazard. They said that they wouldn't allow anyone to wear it. Period. No BS. No political motivation. No religious stance. Simple safety.
Besides, having a head covering while playing soccer offers an unfair advantage by padding the head. Soccer requires the use of the head, and having that extra layer of protection is unfair.
Also, having your children wear a headscarf is no more child abuse than dressing your kid up for Halloween or having your child help out around the family farm. |
Exactly.
I don't know why religious forms of dress or culture attire should bother anyone.
My cousins in Israel never complain about how the Muslims dress, they only comment on their actions.
Fanatics are dangerous regardless of which group they belong to |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Dawkins and Sam Harris are right. Religion is a mental disorder that is passed from parent to child. |
Christ, is this really what Dawkins and Harris are saying, this warmed- over 1950s pop Freudian fundamentalism? I knew there was a reason I've been staying away from this whole "atheists vs. everyone else" debate that's been making the rounds lately.
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| We were all disgusted by "Jesus Camp", why not here? |
You can count me as one leftist who doesn't really care what fundamentalist Christian kids do on their summer holidays. I know the kind of people your argument is gunning for, and I do agree that it's fun to watch them loudly proclaim their opposition to "religious bigotry", only to launch into the special pleading when someone draws their attention to "people of color" behaving just as badly as the much-maligned whiteys. But is there anyone on this thread who has said that he hates fundamentalist Christians, but that Muslims should be given a pass? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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It's simple. The group organizing the tourney said that the headscarf represented a potential choking hazard. They said that they wouldn't allow anyone to wear it. Period. No BS. No political motivation. No religious stance. Simple safety.
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This is basically what it comes down to for me. If it's a safety issue, and it's being consistently enforced, then I have no problem with this girl's headgear being banned. |
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beast
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Why do Canadians always find it necessary to defend the use of headgear, turbans, swords or other paraphanalia worn by eastern cultures? I remember when the RCMP allowed them to wear the turbans. Don't you want to protect and cherish any of your own Canadian culture? Is everthing in your culture open to reinvention from outsiders? Is nothing in your culture cherished? You are so willing to allow first generation Canadians to re write your traditions in their own terms and are so easy to call anyone who believes in traditional values a racist. You must remember that muslim culture would never allow you to rewrite their traditions in their lands, so why do you find it so necessary to allow them to do so in your land? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| You must remember that muslim culture would never allow you to rewrite their traditions in their lands, so why do you find it so necessary to allow them to do so in your land? |
Could you give me an example of Muslims being allowed to rewrite traditions in Canada? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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I think that the sport hajib is an important piece of sports equipment.
I'm not altogether convinced that the ref and the rule were laid out to prevent religious expression, and I also think that she is kind of a victim of unintentions.
That said, I do think she should abide by the decision and that the ref and the rules were only in place to consider her safety; as deluded and misguided as they may be. I also think that her teamate and others should be commended for their "walk out".
As a sidenote, I wonder if anyone else found it "interesting" (and I use the word lightly) that a girl whose parents insist she wears a hijab, also find it interesting that she is able to play soccer. |
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