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Are all Western or American criminals the same in Asia ill-regard of deeper social identities? |
Yes, an American is an American and that's about all a headline should state. |
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No, a perpetrator should be identified to enough degree so that not ALL groups are dragged down with him. |
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#2 answer, plus I'm tired of seeing alot of distorted and misleading information generated about my respective country and the people I grew up around. |
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Coffeecup
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Really rather dissappointed to see a lower amount of voting and not much conversation which would have stayed on topic.
Buncheon, since your stats were quite weak and so little I will only post a few myself. But your presentation of imprisonment rates by race pretty much killed your own argument of who is doing the most jailtime and speak for themselves in the major differences of social groups and their criminal tendencies. And your misleading argument that one group is doing most of the jail time because the specific drug they sell was a dud.
Furthermore, you are wrong in saying that whites and Latinos are about the same in their criminalities while Asians are far under them. The reality is as follows: blacks and Latinos are by far the highest and almost mirror one another, while whites and Asians are far lower in crime statistics and also almost mirror one another in comparison to the upper two. Case in point: Notice that while blacks rank between 1000 to 2000, whites rank from 150-350 with Asians only about 100 below them.
Again I should point out again this thread is not about America, but since Buncheon wanted just a taste of it and he's so convinced that no group is at all significantly more inclined to use physical harm to obtain their needs as well as relinquish their hate and jealousy, I'll post just a bit on it.
->One article by Larry Elder. "economist and (African-American) columnist Walter Williams writes, 'According to U.S. Department of Justice statistics, blacks commit 54 percent of murders, 42 percent of forcible rapes, 59 percent of robberies and 38 percent of aggravated assaults. ... In the case of interracial violent crime, blacks are 50 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than whites against blacks.'
->An article by African-American economist Walter Williams"IF THERE'S TO BE RACIAL GOODWILL and harmony, at the minimum we must be willing to confront sometimes ugly truths. One of those truths has to do with interracial crime.... In 1994 there were about 1,700,000 interracial crimes, of which 1,276,030 involved whites and blacks. In 90 percent of the cases, a white was the victim and a black was the perpetrator, while in 10 percent of the cases it was the reverse." This is of course figured by looking at the overall US population with whites still being 69% majority.
->What's going on over in Africa with the new governments? And do we want more of these people coming to more civil places like Korea, Japan or America?"Your average police officer has about 150 to 200 rape files on his or her desk. So they aren�t even opening all of them. They just can�t cope. In our courts, 50-percent of the cases before the courts are rapes."
-> A major 20 page compendium of violent crime with no holds barred. Opens into Adobe Acrobat, good presentation.
->Violent crime index for one US state by social-racial indicators. Of course these government tables are still really lousy, they always include Latinos into the whites categories, even though it is known that of the crimes committed by whites, the reality is that 80% of those "white" crimes are really Latinos. Comment: notice in the table that whites and Asians are hardly seperate in comparison to the higher crime group.
->Who kills more? Again these weak government tables refuse to seperate white from Latino -- as the two are very different in their crime rates -- but it still gives an idea. "Homicide perpetrators in New Jersey for given period: Whites 2,899. African-Americans 4,676." Again whites commit less murders despite being the higher population.
---> Or how about a similar one.Violent crime per 100,000: White 123. African-Americans 700.
Time Magazine: Sex And Race In Okinawa U.S. servicemen and local women can be a volatile mix. Unfortunately Time charges to access this, but I remember reading this in their August 2001 issue. I couldn't help but notice that all of the photos and all of the incidents there was nary a white person, and makes me think, is it really "Americans" that are committing these rapes?
I will go ahead and wrap this up, and again would like to say that this thread is about Westerners and Americans in Asia (and how they are perceived), not in the West. But I propose that criminal perpetrators in Asia be clearly identified for their unique social, cultural and ethnic standings, so that sweeping generalizations are not made about all Westerners who are abroad. We live in an era in which racial differences are supposed to be celebrated. Let's also make it so that those differences are discussed realistically. |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise: Skin pigmentation = violent human.
Skin pigmentation is there to protect us from UV rays. That's all it does. If you had said, "Poor and desperate for money = Violent human" Then you'd have a leg to stand on. And I'd even agree with you.
What you're doing right now is similar to saying that the runny nose is the reason for the cold. That's why everyone thinks you're a bigot.
Well that, and because you are a bigot.
Regardless, it makes everything you posted irrelivent. But I'll humour you before you a) self-destruct like all retards do, or b)you make a hasty retreat while claiming to leave us all to our ignorance.
And I'll agree with those stats (even though you're wrong about the causes of those stats), but the op-ed peices are just op-ed pieces. I didnt let Joo Rip Retard get away with claiming OpEds as truth, and I wont let you do it. This cuts out half of your "proof".
Hey! I was poking around your links and here's a stat from the US Department of Justice you missed....
And this one...
How could you miss something that shows most violent crimes committed against whites are by whites?
And look! We're starting to beat out blacks for killing our friends and loved ones! If we say our prayers and eat our vitamins, I'm sure we can hold on to our lead.
Quick now, go and disregard the whole chart so you can continue to focus on your rationaliations for being a bigot.
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Of course these government tables are still really lousy, they always include Latinos into the whites categories, even though it is known that of the crimes committed by whites, the reality is that 80% of those "white" crimes are really Latinos. |
Yeah, it really sucks when the government wont give you ammo to justify faulty arguments.
And here you dismantle your agrument yourself. Being latino means you speak Spanish, not that you have dark skin. Latinos come in all different shades, including lilly white. So, this either means that "White" people ARE committing those violent crimes, or you you dont know what the hell you're talking about and have found some stats to justify your faulty argument.
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I couldn't help but notice that all of the photos and all of the incidents there was nary a white person, and makes me think, is it really "Americans" that are committing these rapes? |
Last I heard, if you have an American citizenship, then you're an American.
Did this change recently and no one was told about it? Did all of the black Americans move back to Africa like you were hoping?
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Let's also make it so that those differences are discussed realistically. |
You first. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:29 am Post subject: |
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coffe Cup,
I was going to reply to your faulty and gross distortion of facts but Becks beat me to the punch and has done a bang up job at that to
You should learn to keep your bigotted views to yourself or to those meeting with your fellow bigots around the campfire when you all feel safe enough to remove the bed sheets from your heads. |
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Coffeecup
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Homer:
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You should learn to keep your bigotted views to yourself or to those meeting with your fellow bigots around the campfire when you all feel safe enough to remove the bed sheets from your heads. |
I'd say you are the one who is bigoted and has the grocery bag over your head. You are incapable of accepting the reality because perhaps it makes you uncomfortable to think people in the world really are very different from one another. You are not much more than a waste of human and intellectual space, since you want to get into name calling and labeling.
Beckerson
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How could you miss something that shows most violent crimes committed against whites are by whites?
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You are continuing to prove yourself to be a moron and like homer you are a waste of time and space in reading. In every race the #1 killer of those people in that race are their own kind. What you are clearly trying to avoid is that when it comes to cross-racial crime, the odds are far and away just too uncomfortable for you to handle.
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Your entire argument is based on a faulty premise: Skin pigmentation = violent human.
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again what you are doing here is clearly putting words in my mouth I never said, again making you the knat on this forum. But I can see how the tiger beers are going to come read what you said and then assume the many twisted lies you've said about other users really is the truth. You are a true degenerate to any sense of discussion and this is showing very well time and again. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Coffeecup wrote: |
Buncheon, since your stats were quite weak and so little I will only post a few myself. But your presentation of imprisonment rates by race pretty much killed your own argument of who is doing the most jailtime and speak for themselves in the major differences of social groups and their criminal tendencies. And your misleading argument that one group is doing most of the jail time because the specific drug they sell was a dud.
Furthermore, you are wrong in saying that whites and Latinos are about the same in their criminalities while Asians are far under them. The reality is as follows: blacks and Latinos are by far the highest and almost mirror one another, while whites and Asians are far lower in crime statistics and also almost mirror one another in comparison to the upper two. |
Did you even look at my statisics? Did you read them? My goodness man. Latinos and Blacks are by far the highest and mirror each other? WHERE oh WHERE did you get this? None, repeat NONE of the stats say Latinos are that high up. Yes blacks, but Latinos? Give me a break
And yes, blacks dealing drugs serve more time than whites on average, that's a fact. I'm not saying its the cause for blacks being in prison more than whites, just one thing to keep in mind. My point was the justice system is unfair in one area towards blacks. |
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Coffeecup just wrote: |
[again what you are doing here is clearly putting words in my mouth I never said, again making you the knat on this forum. But I can see how the tiger beers are going to come read what you said and then assume the many twisted lies you've said about other users really is the truth. You are a true degenerate to any sense of discussion and this is showing very well time and again. |
Coffeecup before wrote: |
Really rather dissappointed to see a lower amount of voting and not much conversation |
Happy now? Actually, I suspect you're accomplishing what you set out to do.
By the way, if Beckerson is the knat of this forum, how does it feel to be the plaything of a knat? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Coffee Cup, i have a couple friends who have worked in the ghetto. Ghetto being the housing projects of Oakland, CA, a city that has more black people than any other race and is nearing 100 murders this year.
Now have either of these friends ever felt threatened while in those neighborhoods? No. Most crime, as Beckerson pointed out, is black-on-black crime. Most murders, at least in Oakland and many other inner cities, is gang and drug-related. THey won't screw with you if you don't screw with them.
Yes, black people do commit more crimes than whites. But do you really think its because of race? Give me a break. Look at history and the big picture: poor areas usually have higher crime. This is a universal thing. Since blacks are poorer than whites, on average, it isn't a big surprise they commit more crimes.
Coffee cup, its no wonder you're unhappy in the SF Bay Area. you're a racist and freaking paranoid that those brothers in Oakland and Richmond are going to jack your car. Realx man, it ain't going to happen. THen again, if you spout off some of the things you do on here in real life, then yes, you might run into some trouble . |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Coffee 'I know you are, but what am I?' cup wrote: |
You are not much more than a waste of human and intellectual space, since you want to get into name calling and labeling. |
Hahahahaha!
I love it when they start to crumble under the weight of their own bull.
Coffee 'In deep, but still doggy-paddling' Cup wrote: |
You are continuing to prove yourself to be a moron and like homer you are a waste of time and space in reading. In every race the #1 killer of those people in that race are their own kind. What you are clearly trying to avoid is that when it comes to cross-racial crime, the odds are far and away just too uncomfortable for you to handle. |
Your premise for that link was to show that dark skinned folks are dangerous to whites. I showed you that you were wrong, and that whites are more of a danger to whites than blacks ever were.
You've been found guilty of stats misuse.
Coffee 'Stop making me look dumb~!' Cup wrote: |
again what you are doing here is clearly putting words in my mouth I never said, again making you the knat on this forum. But I can see how the tiger beers are going to come read what you said and then assume the many twisted lies you've said about other users really is the truth. You are a true degenerate to any sense of discussion and this is showing very well time and again. |
When all else fails, whine, cry, insult, and back-peddle furiously... |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Becks called it right it seems...
The Cup is leaving in a gust of insults and "you all don't understand" rant...
Now Cup,
I aint bigotted. I tend not to judge or evaluate people by their ethnic background but more on what they do.
I also avoid group judgements because those are usually not very accurate.
I think the differences between people of "the world" are fine. They are what makes this a world instead of an ant farm.
I don't mind the differences and quite accept them.
You should perhaps re-read your OP and its title...and..see who is unable to accept and likes to nit pick at the differences  |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Being black does not make you an expert about black issues (like your almost unknown economist and (African-American) columnist Walter Williams), anymore than being white gives you cred regarding white people. It is racist to assume that by simply by virtue of his skin color he can speak with authority. I am willing to bet that you don't seek out a black scholar for edification on other issues.
I know that blacks as well as whites are allowed to dabble in stupid, badly thought-out opinions and social science, but some whites love to jump on anything a half-baked black scholar says and say see- its true that blacks are so bad, because this black dude says so.
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Buncheon, since your stats were quite weak and so little I will only post a few myself. But your presentation of imprisonment rates by race pretty much killed your own argument of who is doing the most jailtime and speak for themselves in the major differences of social groups and their criminal tendencies. And your misleading argument that one group is doing most of the jail time because the specific drug they sell was a dud |
Well, the best common denomenator for crime rates is class. This concerns both motive for crimes, levels of social displacement and anger, and, perhaps especially, the ability to get competent legal assistance. I will certainly not put myself through the work of analyzing class and race for you, as it would certainly fall on deaf ears.
And, yes, it makes a HUGE difference in terms of jail time if you are busted as a white collar white guy with a little powder, or a black dude with some crack. And, of course, the crack user will be more likely to get busted because he is using in more public places, whereas the coke user is more likely to be in a nice private place. And crack carries higher sentences. By the way, if exstacy were the ghetto drug of choice, and not the white middle class ravers drug of choice, I am sure that it would be treated MUCH differently.
But all of these facts are useless in the face of your clear prejudices, er, I mean honest objectivity. Never let yourself be detered by either facts or moral suasion.
By the way, there is another thread going that is seeking a good understanding of what racism is. They just need to come here for a really good demonstration. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Coffecup said (semiliterately)
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Are 'foreigners' and Westerners just one big lump group? |
The answer is that you and the rest of us are foriegners, and mostly Westerners, and, praise Allah, we are not in the least alike. But you do point to one of the things that makes me uncomfortable about being from the U.S.- people may indeed think that we are alike, and that is just embarrassing. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ghostinthemachine
Joined: 22 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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In my country the people in prison are almost exclusively from the lowest socio-economic group.
Guess what................they're not black!
Ireland is predominantly racially homogenous and this leads me to believe that crime is related to economic deprivation rather than being a question of race. |
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Coffeecup
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Ghostmachine. Although in a nation which is practically 100% white, it would make sense that the criminals would be practically 100% white, but good observation. No you could give a large sum of money to criminals but the criminal in them will not leave, it's not a matter of simply not having money. Even after criminals attain large sums of money they do not become ordinary good citizens. Even rapists usually have girlfriend(s) on the side but it's that extra piece of ass they salivate over for the rape.
By the way ghost you'd better be real careful especially with your white colored Avatar. A particularly childish trashy user like William Peckerson might try and act real clever and say "aha you call yourself Ghost you are a white separatist!"
Look at all this hypocrisy. Here's an example, one user quoted me:
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Coffecup said (semiliterately)
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The answer is that you and the rest of us are foriegners |
I guess that would be "semigramatically?" Listen peeps if you cannot keep your posts strictly to points being made without constant jibes then don't even bother. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ghostinthemachine wrote: |
this leads me to believe that crime is related to economic deprivation rather than being a question of race. |
This is the third time I've read a variation of this assertion on this page.
Can anyone tell me how economic deprivation causes rape? Thanks. |
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