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Doogie
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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: Japanese PM - Comfort Women were not Forced into Brothels |
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I think their plan is to just keep denying it until the last of the comfort women die off. Then they take back the apology and forget about any compensation. Here's the article:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/01/29/3474333-ap.html |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
That's interesting about that 60's deal. I didn't know that. So, 40 years ago they wanted the right to sue taken away from them. Isn't that the same as admitting that it really happened? How can they come back now and deny it? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Well remember that when they got that deal, the South Korean government was trying very hard to normalise relations with Japan so they could get some of their money. The president at the time was a Japanese nationalist and obviously he would've gone out of his (and his people's) way to appease Japan. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
I agree about the euphamism.
I disagree about the other things. The Korean position is of no relevence. This is something the Japanese must do: own up to their own crimes. Stop denying history. Germany did it. Japan must too. Would you excuse the Germans if they started to deny the holocaust because some small group of victims demanded money? Is Japan selling its honor away to save money? How much could hese women get anyway? Debying your acts is a cowardly thing. Japan is a cowardly nation, or atleast it has a coward for a PM. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
I agree about the euphamism.
I disagree about the other things. The Korean position is of no relevence. This is something the Japanese must do: own up to their own crimes. Stop denying history. Germany did it. Japan must too. Would you excuse the Germans if they started to deny the holocaust because some small group of victims demanded money? Is Japan selling its honor away to save money? How much could hese women get anyway? Debying your acts is a cowardly thing. Japan is a cowardly nation, or atleast it has a coward for a PM. |
I'm simply suggesting the Korean government could mitigate the suffering of these women by being straight with them from the outset. It, however, left it up to a Japanese court to reveal the normalization agreement which basically traded the rights of individual Koreans to sue for all war time and colonial period atrocities. That in no way excuses the Japanese or is an argument that the Japanese have to do less. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
In 2007 noone is forcing anyone into slavery. Have you seen a Korean woman forced into a barber shot at gunpoint? There are reasons that they go into prostitution, none of them are because someone os stcking a bayonette in their back. |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
In 2007 noone is forcing anyone into slavery. Have you seen a Korean woman forced into a barber shot at gunpoint? There are reasons that they go into prostitution, none of them are because someone os stcking a bayonette in their back. |
typing drunk?
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/south_korea
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South Korea is a source, transit, and destination country for women who are trafficked for the purpose of sexual exploitation. Women from Russia, the People�s Republic of China, the Philippines, Thailand, and other Southeast Asian countries are trafficked for commercial sexual exploitation to South Korea. Korean women are trafficked to Japan and to the United States, sometimes via Canada, for exploitation in prostitution.[1] |
although not mentioned here, there are also south korean women in south korea who are forced into prostitution. i'll try to find links and post them later. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
Where in the name of zombie Christ did you come up with 25%? Also, where did you come up with the whole "forces" thing? Oh, and how do you get 1945 out of 1910-1945, the entire period of Japanese rule? And since when has 100 000 to 200 000 been considered "a few women?" |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
In 2007 noone is forcing anyone into slavery. Have you seen a Korean woman forced into a barbershot at gunpoint? There are reasons that they go into prostitution, none of them are because someone os stcking a bayonette in their back. |
Err, I don't think anyone has seen that before. Sounds pretty impossible to me...  |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
I think most people, in Korea, are quite well aware of that. The story came out a couple of years back to no-one's great surprise: being screwed over by the boss is so much par for the course that being screwed over by your dictator almost seems inevitable. The women choose to keep pressing the issue regardless.
I wonder if it's an arguable point in international law? Can a country's rights to reparations be signed away by an unelected undemocratic government? It doesn't seem fair. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| thebum wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
Question is, which is worse?
a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.
b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs. |
In 2007 noone is forcing anyone into slavery. Have you seen a Korean woman forced into a barber shot at gunpoint? There are reasons that they go into prostitution, none of them are because someone os stcking a bayonette in their back. |
typing drunk?
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/south_korea
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South Korea is a source, transit, and destination country for women who are trafficked for the purpose of sexual exploitation. Women from Russia, the People�s Republic of China, the Philippines, Thailand, and other Southeast Asian countries are trafficked for commercial sexual exploitation to South Korea. Korean women are trafficked to Japan and to the United States, sometimes via Canada, for exploitation in prostitution.[1] |
although not mentioned here, there are also south korean women in south korea who are forced into prostitution. i'll try to find links and post them later. |
This post should be read again... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
Oh holy Xenu! While not to excuse the Japanese atrocity, the Korean government never bothered to mention to the Korean sex slaves that they signed away their rights to sue the Japanese government back in the late '60s in return for some development loans. The Korean government has for decades happily let these former sex slaves think they had a legal right to compensation.
And I wish people would stop using the comfort women euphemism. We have to call them what they were. Sex slaves. |
I think most people, in Korea, are quite well aware of that. The story came out a couple of years back to no-one's great surprise: being screwed over by the boss is so much par for the course that being screwed over by your dictator almost seems inevitable. The women choose to keep pressing the issue regardless. |
The women are doing so now. But a few years ago, when this ended up in Japanese court, the accord was not well known. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| it was more than just a few women who were forced into Japanese comfort centers. |
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