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[Rteacher]

That's true, but the point still stands, I think. Because they do still have some effective control over key mass media, such cartoons/articles satirizing Jewish beliefs and interests would not likely appear in the first place in mainstream publications. The pro-Israeli lobby, especially in the U.S., is certainly more than just a myth. And, with so much economic and political leverage, they don't have to take to the streets with violent demonstrations - yet policies they influence - and tactics they employ behind the scenes - may violently affect their enemies and critics ...

This article seems fairly objective (not of the "hate group" variety that also dwell on these themes...)

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/july94herman.htm

[stevemcgarrett]

Rteacher:

[Rteacher]

I think that real anti-semitism would require that there to be some hatred based on religion or race. I don't qualify on either count.

I don't like dirty politics based on sectarian interests.

Personally, I have had many Jewish friends, especially growing up. I went to a high school that was about 60% Jewish, and I even played basketball at the local Jewish Community Center. Moreover, I was usually the only "gentile" at our weekly poker games (which curiously I always seemed to lose... )

Politically, the pro-Israeli lobby also includes Christian Zionists like Jerry Falwell, and Washington Times owner Rev. Moon, and most of the neocons are arguably Jewish (or Christian) Zionists.

Jewish lobby groups have redefined anti-semitism in a way that can be used against political opponents not necessarily motivated by hate.
Here's from a Wikipedia article on "new anti-semitism":

Allan Brownfeld, writing in the Journal of Palestine Studies, argues that the term "new antisemitism" emerged as a result of efforts by some to re-define the term "anti-semitism" to include anything that opposes the policies and interests of the state of Israel. He cites the Forster and Epstein [officials of the Anti-Defamation League] book as one of the first manifestations of this trend. Brownfeld argues that this altered definition trivializes the concept of anti-semitism, by turning it into "a form of political blackmail" and "a weapon with which to silence any criticism of either Israel or U.S. policy in the Middle East". He adds that the "false imputation of anti-Semitism" is a "violation of Jewish ethics and values", and that the shift in the term's meaning "will be welcomed by genuine anti-Semites who will, as a result, be able to escape responsibility for their own bigotry".[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism

The pro-Israel lobby was very upset with the Harvard University study titled "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy", and one of its authors was forced to resign as Academic Dean of the John F. Kennedy School of Government when a "pro-Israeli donor" ($7.5 million) applied some pressure...
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8787

The "Lobby" also often uses the tactic of setting up someone like David Duke, obvioiusly associated with hate groups, as a strawman on right-wing media shows like "Scarborough Country" on MSNBC:

"Thank you for being with us tonight, Mr. Duke. You have been attacked as a former Klansman, an anti-Semite, but tonight you're in league with Harvard University. Do you feel vindicated?"

Mearsheimer and Walt are the ones who should feel vindicated, because this sort of cheap demagoguery proves their point about the Lobby's modus operandi. Always they seek to set the terms of the debate in their favor: If you disagree with them and decry their influence, you're a "Nazi." How very convenient
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8787

Regarding religious hatred, a case can be made that some Orthodox Jewish sects have often expressed hatred of both Muslims and Christians. Some of my Armenian relatives were not pleased when hearing a news report about the Archbishop of the Jerusulam Armenian church being spat upon by a yeshiva student. Apparently this is not an isolated case and such attacks have been going on there for decades...

And this account is from a Judaic newspaper based in New York:

...Besides the Armenian rite, clergy of other Christian churches have been targeted, Shirvanian said. "This is not happening only to Armenian clergy, but also to the Catholics, Syrians, Romanians and Greek Orthodox."...According to Shirvanian, church officials are frequently subjected to spitting, from yeshiva students as well as from ultra-Orthodox women and young children. He said ultra-Orthodox Jews also throw garbage on church doorsteps and break windows at churches and at Christian homes...
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmud1.html

[stevemcgarrett]

Rteacher:

Much of your reply has the suspicious tone of "Why some of my best friends are Jewish."

Then you ramble on about things I never even alluded to in my most recent post.

The word lobby is perjorative and loaded: it denotes an organized campaign. Many if not most supporters of Israel and its plight at the hands of rabid Muslim extremists are not members of any lobbying effort. But of course denying this individual expression lends credence to the conspiracy minded in this matter, doesn't it?

[markhan]

[Hater Depot]

There is a world of difference between attacking freedom of the press and attacking the publication of racism.

[Wishmaster]

Yeah, considering all the distortions that Korean partake in and all the rip offs in this country, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Koreans. The victim card, each and every time, gets kinda old.

[stevenpa]

[stevemcgarrett]

stevenpa:

[stevenpa]