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wild



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Consequences of Quitting Reply with quote

I'm new to posting but i've been reading for awhile...the t-shirt messages are hilarious...almost as funny as the t-shirts themselves.

Anyway.....here's a situation. My friend just came back to korea, and started a new contract at a new school, he was here before. He tells me his uncle offered him some amazing job with some huge company making some huge money. He thinks he's going to accept the job but it starts next week. He's not going to quit at his school because his contract requires a month's notice so he's just going to bolt out of the country and not show up for work, personally i don't care about the school but there arn't many people where i'm at and I don't want him to leave...lol. So can anyone tell me what the consequences of not quitting the contract and just bolting outta here would be??????
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: Consequences of Quitting Reply with quote

wild wrote:
what the consequences of... just bolting outta here would be??????


ajumma: "I think he went this way! bali bali!"

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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's probably wise. Wait till you get paid and then adios. Depends on the school though. If he doesn't care about coming back and he thinks the school would rip him off of his last month's pay, by all means, take off like a shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His schools is not treating him badly, he just re-signed so the employer seems nice.

What are the consequences for this guy running into the night?

None for him but many for others but hey that just won't register will it? Whats important is that he gets away scott free to take that new job. What happens to his students and co-workers does not compute, nor does what this costs his employer or what this may do for the teacher they will need to replace him....good lord....

Hey, since the job for your friend is being offered by his "uncle"....I am sure your friend could tell them that his current job requires he gives notice before quitting. Any self respecting employer back home would see this as a reasonable request.

But the main point here seems to be that your "friend" wants to avoid paying back airfare and honoring his contract because it is inconvenient. I hope he realizes that should his plan be known to his employer that he should not expect them to behave nicely towards him...he wants to run and screw em so it can swing both ways.
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
His schools is not treating him badly, he just re-signed so the employer seems nice.

What are the consequences for this guy running into the night?

None for him but many for others but hey that just won't register will it? Whats important is that he gets away scott free to take that new job. What happens to his students and co-workers does not compute, nor does what this costs his employer or what this may do for the teacher they will need to replace him....good lord....

Hey, since the job for your friend is being offered by his "uncle"....I am sure your friend could tell them that his current job requires he gives notice before quitting. Any self respecting employer back home would see this as a reasonable request.

But the main point here seems to be that your "friend" wants to avoid paying back airfare and honoring his contract because it is inconvenient. I hope he realizes that should his plan be known to his employer that he should not expect them to behave nicely towards him...he wants to run and screw em so it can swing both ways.


I think the OP said that he's starting at a new school, but taught in Korea before. Even if he had taught with them before, maybe they were cheating him somehow like not paying pension and health and deducting too much in taxes. List is endless. This would be a moral enough reason to leave them high and dry. I think it's a new school though and it sounds like he hasn't been paid yet. To give himself a moral out, he could just ask his employer what his deductions will be on his first pay like how much taxes are, if he is getting pension, etc. If any of those prove to be a negative, I say take a powder.

Try to argue with that. Don't think you can. Wink
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wild



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the school treating him badly....he's told me that it isn't exactly what he was told. A few more hours, the pay scheme isn't exactly as advertised (something about it supposed to be so much a month but now it's per teaching days a month or something), he said other small things but I can't remember. Also, i don't think he's been here long enough to get paid. As far as i can tell overall it's not a BAD situation but it's not the best either.

So basically what your telling me is that the only thing i got to help convince him is guilt? Jesus..that ain't gonna cut it! There's no financial consequences...like the recruiter tracking him down and making him pay or being barred from travelling to Korea or anything??
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wild wrote:
As far as the school treating him badly....he's told me that it isn't exactly what he was told. A few more hours, the pay scheme isn't exactly as advertised (something about it supposed to be so much a month but now it's per teaching days a month or something), he said other small things but I can't remember. Also, i don't think he's been here long enough to get paid. As far as i can tell overall it's not a BAD situation but it's not the best either.

So basically what your telling me is that the only thing i got to help convince him is guilt? Jesus..that ain't gonna cut it! There's no financial consequences...like the recruiter tracking him down and making him pay or being barred from travelling to Korea or anything??


No problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right...of course.
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ajuma



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know...I guess making a commitment to me means following through with said commitment. If I were the uncle and I knew that my nephew was skipping out of a job that he'd made a commitment to without notice, I'd think twice about hiring him!!

I guess it boils down to ethics. Is he an ethical person or not?
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Right...of course.


Just breaks your heart, doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
I don't know...I guess making a commitment to me means following through with said commitment. If I were the uncle and I knew that my nephew was skipping out of a job that he'd made a commitment to without notice, I'd think twice about hiring him!!

I guess it boils down to ethics. Is he an ethical person or not?


What it comes down to is intelligence. His uncle would probably think twice about hiring him if he were foolish enough to give notice to a Korean employer who would more than likely cheat him out of a month's pay.

This school wouldn't be looking too kindly on him even though he would be following the contract by giving a month's notice. They'd cheat him even more than they are now.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wild wrote:
So basically what your telling me is that the only thing i got to help convince him is guilt? Jesus..that ain't gonna cut it! There's no financial consequences...like the recruiter tracking him down and making him pay or being barred from travelling to Korea or anything??


So basically what YOU'RE telling US is that your friend is an immature, unprincipled individual who hasn't got the balls to act with integrity?

Hah, he doesn't even have the nads to post on his own.

What goes around, comes around.
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maybe



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Consequences of Quitting Reply with quote

wild wrote:
I'm new to posting but i've been reading for awhile...the t-shirt messages are hilarious...almost as funny as the t-shirts themselves.

Anyway.....here's a situation. My friend just came back to korea, and started a new contract at a new school, he was here before. He tells me his uncle offered him some amazing job with some huge company making some huge money. He thinks he's going to accept the job but it starts next week. He's not going to quit at his school because his contract requires a month's notice so he's just going to bolt out of the country and not show up for work, personally i don't care about the school but there arn't many people where i'm at and I don't want him to leave...lol. So can anyone tell me what the consequences of not quitting the contract and just bolting outta here would be??????


From what I heard, if he does not honor his part of the contract, then all of this will go onto his immigration information. IF the school files it. Then it would affect any future employment in Korea.

And I agree with a post above: if he is bolting on this employer, what makes the new employer think he will stay around if he gets a better offer again in the future?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many places use any tactics within their means to cheat people. How can one have good ethics and protect their best interest at the same time? With a few employers, no problem. But the vast majority of English academies will swindle no matter what. To me, it seems that hogwon owners view honesty as a weakness.
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Boodleheimer



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
I don't know...I guess making a commitment to me means following through with said commitment. If I were the uncle and I knew that my nephew was skipping out of a job that he'd made a commitment to without notice, I'd think twice about hiring him!!

I guess it boils down to ethics. Is he an ethical person or not?


what she said.
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