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NEED PROOF OF THE DEGENERATE WEST?
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: NEED PROOF OF THE DEGENERATE WEST? Reply with quote

Sometimes I turn on my TV to the satellite stations to channel surf and I invariably come across things that force me to realize why so many traditional cultures regard contemporary Western cultures with such disdain.

First off, a CNN International segment about a brother-sister's legal fight in Leipzing, Germany to legalize incestuous relationships in the Bundestag. Their lawyer and support group contend that they are causing no harm to society by getting married and having children. Never mind that half their children are mentally impaired in some way, or that doctors have long since known this. That the German Supreme Court will even hear arguments for this sick moral transgression is sufficient indication of the degree of social depravity in the West.

Then you've got the ACLU in the U.S., which has provided free legal assistance to admitted pedophiles fighting for the legalization of sexual relationships with minors.

Sex in the City airs as reruns in the West and in East Asia with the sluttish quartet chronicling their most recent sexual exploits masked as feminist independence. The veneer of legitimacy from the clever dialogue, chic clothes and restaurants, and fancy boutiques is stil unable to conceal what is glorified raunch and sexual obsession. And any critics are immediately accused of being prudish or puritanical or, worse yet, chauvanistic.

In another venue, I turn to WWF and listen to inane insults, comic-book like action figure men taunting each other like schoolyard bullies, and tens of thousands of screaming fans egging them on, many if not most actually believing that the matches they're watching are real and not staged. I imagine millions of more viewers at home--whole families--tuned in to this media-hyped pseudo-sport comparing the relative strengths of these dimwit titans. Then I shudder to think how many of them are voters and hope most don't bother to go to the polls.

Finally, as if I needed more proof, I turn to a Reality TV program copied after The Bachelor, except without even so much as a feeble attempt at decency and decorum. Yes, it's Flavor Flav and his self-serving show Flavor of Love where foul-mouthed street sluts and aspiring bimbos compete to have dates with this raunchy, sexist, proudly ignorant pimp daddy who looks like Mugabe's younger brother and talks like Mike Tyson. VH-1 comes up with a reality TV idea with a black protagonist and selects the degenerate, ex-gangsta rap "star" of Public Enemy to be its host. Yes, let's reinforce those ghetto glorifying images for impressionable young black youth as if they don't get bombarded enough with this swill.

Fast forward to Cairo or Riyadh or Islamabad or New Delhi or Beijing or Jakarta or San Salvador or Havana or Ankara or Nairobi and is it any wonder why it's so easy for people viewing or reading about these stories at the very least look askance at what Western pop culture dignifies these days?

I can turn off my TV set but that won't make the growing problem go away.

And all the good things in traditional Western culture: aesthetic objects, music, art, literature, legal codes and the like that constitute an admirable civic culture get shunned to the shadows in the glow of so much bling and appeal to the lowest common denominator from Hollywood and New York and London and Paris and Berlin and Amsterdam.


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squinchboy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't have said it better myself....
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my friends said it best: we need a Pol Pot in the west.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my friends said it best: we need a Pol Pot in the west.


While that is a completely rediculous comment to make, maybe they just need someone responsible in charge of networks.

However, none of the things talked about are problems and they are only a small part of the culture and this is what is shown in other countries. Obviously, people from these other countries admire and like it enough to keep these programs on the air for so long though.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes:

"Admire" this rubbish? No, they watch like people at the scene of an accident, acutely aware of its Western origins and thankful despite the momentary titillation that they don't contend with this bad influence in their own midst in their daily lives.
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Bondrock



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes mr mcgarrett. and let's not forget the misery of shows like oprah or the dr. phils of the TV small screen who capitalize on losers and misery. even shows like american idol, which could potentially be good, seem to revel in the idea that many americans will say anything on camera, and then sign a waiver allowing it to be aired internationally.... and ad-nauseum/forever in syndication.

i guess the question is, why do we/they watch? perhaps we need to see folks more f'd up than we are to feel good about our own lives?

me, i dont watch much tv anymore... but i admit i get a laugh out of wwf for about 5 minutes a week while surfing the boring fair on korean cable... and i do like to see decent talent, but flavor flave? come on!
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
maybe they just need someone responsible in charge of networks.


The people in charge of the networks are responsible. They are reponsible to the stockholders. No more, no less. Television is a business, and these executives are charged with the task of having as many viewers as possible. Period.

The day a TV executive decides he/she should improve the lives of their viewers rather than the number of viewers they have will be the day that a TV executive gets fired.

It isn't about the networks. It's about the idiots who sit in front of their televisions watching that garbage. Blaming the networks is like blaming McDonald's because you're fat.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my friends said it best: we need a Pol Pot in the west.


While that is a completely rediculous comment to make, maybe they just need someone responsible in charge of networks.

However, none of the things talked about are problems and they are only a small part of the culture and this is what is shown in other countries. Obviously, people from these other countries admire and like it enough to keep these programs on the air for so long though.


Here's exactly what my friend said:

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We need a Pol Pot who will kill every single Hollywood star, politician, musician who has appeared on a Clear Channel associated airwave...

Pol Pot, why did you walk away with your cane on one fine summer day in 1997, never to be seen again? We needed you not in a third world country: these poor souls have suffered enough. They know decades and centuries of hardship and repression...

Rather, it was Los Angeles and New York City that needed you.

It is not about high politics or high culture or society or anything..

It is about Oprah Winfrey. It is about talk-shows, reality television, Jerry Springer...

It's rotted to the core and needs a Holocaust.

The whole thing:
http://brokeinkorea.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1153249149&page=1
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

read the next one.

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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
ajgeddes wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
One of my friends said it best: we need a Pol Pot in the west.


While that is a completely rediculous comment to make, maybe they just need someone responsible in charge of networks.

However, none of the things talked about are problems and they are only a small part of the culture and this is what is shown in other countries. Obviously, people from these other countries admire and like it enough to keep these programs on the air for so long though.


Here's exactly what my friend said:

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Pol Pot, why did you walk away with your cane on one fine summer day in 1997, never to be seen again? We needed you not in a third world country: these poor souls have suffered enough. They know decades and centuries of hardship and repression...

Rather, it was Los Angeles and New York City that needed you.

It is not about high politics or high culture or society or anything..

It is about Oprah Winfrey. It is about talk-shows, reality television, Jerry Springer...

It's rotted to the core and needs a Holocaust.

The whole thing:
http://brokeinkorea.proboards46.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1153249149&page=1


Okay then, well that's a little different from what if first seemed you (or your friend, or whatever) meant. It sounded like you just had something against Western culture to begin with.

To some of the rest of you. Yes, they do admire it, maybe not all of it, but they do admire some of it. That's why it gets copied.

And, yes it is the responsibility of the networks. Just because they bow down, doesn't mean it is their responsibility. It is them that decide what to make new shows about. Taking away the blame from them is like saying drug dealers are not to blame for supplying drugs.
We need a Pol Pot who will kill every single Hollywood star, politician, musician who has appeared on a Clear Channel associated airwave...
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twg



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: NEED PROOF OF THE DEGENERATE WEST? Reply with quote

Yay, Steve is doing another Rush rant!

stevemcgarrett wrote:
First off, a CNN International segment about a brother-sister's legal fight in Leipzing, Germany to legalize incestuous relationships in the Bundestag. Their lawyer and support group contend that they are causing no harm to society by getting married and having children. Never mind that half their children are mentally impaired in some way, or that doctors have long since known this. That the German Supreme Court will even hear arguments for this sick moral transgression is sufficient indication of the degree of social depravity in the West.

And in the unlikely situation that they do succeed, everyone is going to run out and pork their sisters! Oh noes! Slippery slope!

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Then you've got the ACLU in the U.S., which has provided free legal assistance to admitted pedophiles fighting for the legalization of sexual relationships with minors.

They've also defended Reagan bullet-taker Ollie North, and ex-CIA blabber mouth Frank Snepp. And slimeball organizations like the KKK and the state of Arkansas. They seem to be determined to help anyone they can with the ability to say anything they want.

Personally, I'd tell most of these clowns to shove it up their dill-holes.

But, I'm willing to bet a fair amount of money that this isn't an indication of a cultural-wide support for white power, pedantry, CIA stooges, or neo-conservative fall-guys.

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Sex in the City airs as reruns in the West and in East Asia with the sluttish quartet chronicling their most recent sexual exploits masked as feminist independence.

Oh...my...GOD! Women talk about sex! And they live in a city!

SOCIETY IS COLLAPSING AROUND US!

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And any critics are immediately accused of being prudish or puritanical or, worse yet, chauvanistic.

Which one are you?

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In another venue, I turn to WWF and listen to inane insults, comic-book like action figure men taunting each other like schoolyard bullies

Man, I tell you... if there's anything out there that I look at and say, "Man, this sure has fallen from it's elite days as a carnival sideshow act in the 1800s!" it's pro-wrestling.

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and tens of thousands of screaming fans egging them on, many if not most actually believing that the matches they're watching are real and not staged.

Phhbbt.

Next thing you'll be saying that movies and TV produce fiction for entertainment as well..

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I imagine millions of more viewers at home--whole families--tuned in to this media-hyped pseudo-sport comparing the relative strengths of these dimwit titans. Then I shudder to think how many of them are voters and hope most don't bother to go to the polls.

Please, without these people, Bush wouldn't have gotten two terms.

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Finally, as if I needed more proof, I turn to a Reality TV program copied after The Bachelor, except without even so much as a feeble attempt at decency and decorum.

Yeah, that WAS classy, wasn't it?

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Yes, it's Flavor Flav and his self-serving show Flavor of Love where foul-mouthed street sluts and aspiring bimbos compete to have dates with this raunchy, sexist, proudly ignorant pimp daddy who looks like Mugabe's younger brother and talks like Mike Tyson.

Damn his ugly black face! What does he got to look so black for?

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VH-1 comes up with a reality TV idea with a black protagonist and selects the degenerate, ex-gangsta rap "star" of Public Enemy to be its host.

Ha! Ha! Yup, Public Enemy was real gangsta alright. Just like how Led Zeppelin was the greatest country act the 70s ever produced.

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Fast forward to Cairo or Riyadh or Islamabad or New Delhi or Beijing or Jakarta or San Salvador or Havana or Ankara or Nairobi and is it any wonder why it's so easy for people viewing or reading about these stories at the very least look askance at what Western pop culture dignifies these days?

They're wondering how they can copy it more quickly.

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I can turn off my TV set but that won't make the growing problem go away.

Yes. I'm certain you'll find something else to yell at the kids across the street from your front porch about.

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And all the good things in traditional Western culture: aesthetic objects, music, art, literature, legal codes and the like that constitute an admirable civic culture get shunned to the shadows in the glow of so much bling and appeal to the lowest common denominator from Hollywood and New York and London and Paris and Berlin and Amsterdam.

The Romans had porn, and buggery, and women talking about sex, and death sports, and they were around for a thousand years.

I guess American is still playing catch up.

Thanks for the twenty minutes of laughter, Steve-O
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevieboy, aren't you the poster boy of degeneracy? It could be true. I don't know what you wrote because your post was longer than 2 lines.
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Anyong Bluth



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: NEED PROOF OF THE DEGENERATE WEST? Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
In another venue, I turn to WWF and listen to inane insults, comic-book like action figure men taunting each other like schoolyard bullies, and tens of thousands of screaming fans egging them on, many if not most actually believing that the matches they're watching are real and not staged. I imagine millions of more viewers at home--whole families--tuned in to this media-hyped pseudo-sport comparing the relative strengths of these dimwit titans. Then I shudder to think how many of them are voters and hope most don't bother to go to the polls.


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Fast forward to Cairo or Riyadh or Islamabad or New Delhi or Beijing or Jakarta or San Salvador or Havana or Ankara or Nairobi and is it any wonder why it's so easy for people viewing or reading about these stories at the very least look askance at what Western pop culture dignifies these days?


Yeah, Koreans in particular are way too sophisticated to get caught up in WWF. Japanese can't stand pro-wrestling either.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg to differ I'm afraid, TWG.....I thought Steve's OP was reasonable.

And he made no mention of the shocking child obesity case in Britain recently, thanks to an entirely junk food diet.

Here: http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/26/obese.child.reut/index.html

Mother says he "spits out" fruit and vegetables.

Such subhuman feces ought to be stripped, shaven, sterilized and abandoned to the deepest, most disgusting basement underneath the farthest pit of Tartarus. The image of vermin hanging on the end of a noose, of devastating and murderous blows.....it makes me grunt with satisfaction.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys watch too much TV.
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