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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: U.S. Friendly Fire Video Leaked To Media |
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What d'yall think the chances are THESE "Top Gun" Cowboys were all juiced up on "PEP" pills?
U.S. Friendly Fire Video Leaked To Media
By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer
LONDON - A leaked video in which an American pilot is heard saying "we're in jail, dude," after U.S. troops killed a British soldier during a friendly fire incident in Iraq was released by The Sun newspaper Tuesday. Lance Cpl. Matty Hull died when troops fired on his convoy in the southern Iraqi city of Basra on March 28, 2003.
A coroner investigating Hull's death had demanded the video be released and presented as evidence in the inquest but U.S. authorities refused. The leak means that the material is now in the public domain, his office said Tuesday, suggesting it may be shown when the inquest resumes Feb. 16.
U.S. military officials conducted their own investigation but the findings have not been made public.
British officials also had asked their U.S. counterparts to release the material to the family but had been rebuffed.
"The main thing to stress is that we have always had a very clear view that what matters is the information should be available to the family and � whilst the Americans cannot be legally obliged to help � they should do so, bearing in mind they are our allies," said Constitutional Affairs Secretary Harriet Harman, who has had several meetings with officials in the U.S. Embassy.
The Pentagon declined comment Tuesday, but the deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in London, David Johnson, told the British Broadcasting Corp. it would consider de-classifying the video if the military determined it would not put forces at risk.
The defense ministry said it was unable to persuade the U.S. to declassify the footage � a recording British authorities initially claimed did not exist.
The Ministry of Defense said in a statement Tuesday it had not tried to deceive Hull's family. It said the army's Board of Inquiry used a copy of the video in its investigation of the incident, but it was U.S. government property and it was not authorized to release it.
The pilot can be heard in the cockpit trying to establish whether targets on the ground are coalition forces or insurgents.
One man asserts that orange panels on the vehicles could mean they are coalition forces � most are equipped with bright markers to prevent such incidents.
Another man is heard saying the orange markers look like rockets.
"I think killing these damn rocket launchers, it would be great," a man on the recording is heard saying.
Two U.S. A-10 jets allegedly opened fire on Hull's tank, which was part of five-vehicle convoy engaged in combat outside of Basra. Four other soldiers were injured, including the convoy's leader, Capt. Alexander MacEwen.
The convoy � three British Scorpion tanks and two engineering vehicles � had come to a halt at the edge of a shantytown near the southern Iraqi city of Basra. The soldiers were being approached by a crowd of civilians carrying a white flag when they were attacked.
The transcript printed in The Sun records the alleged exchange between the pilots after they realize what has happened.
Pilot 1: "I'm going to be sick."
Pilot 2: "Ah f---."
Pilot 1: "Did you hear?"
Pilot 2: "Yeah, this sucks."
Pilot 1: "We're in jail, dude."
The other pilot then weeps, according to the transcript.
"There has never been any intention to deliberately deceive or mislead Lance Corporal Horse Hull's family," the defense statement said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_on_re_eu/britain_friendly_fire_video
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Axl Rose

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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"we're in jail dood"
no surprise to see both numbskulls with southern accents.
jeez, no wonder we're getting our asses wooped by the iraqis and got our butts served by the north vietnamese........too many southerners in the military! |
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Svetlana

Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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The sad part is, the same thing has happened many more times and not one of the pilots has ever been taken off flight status. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I feel quite sorry for the pilots. They were obviously very distressed when they had learnt what they had done. It was their controllers who f@@@ed up. The whole system needs an overhaul. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I take some of that back. The pilots must shoulder some of the blame. I just read the fuller transcript of the pilots conversation to each other.
Cockpit transcript reveals how reservist pilots convinced themselves that British convoy was an Iraqi rocket unit
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Again without clearance from the ground controllers, Popov36 then attacks the British convoy for a second time. "OK, I'm in again from the south."
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They didn't even clear their second hit with ground control. I'm still sorry for them though, I think they are badly trained and the fault lies mostly with their command and a faulty system. These guys seem like untrained buffoons. And they've been let loose on the world with extremely dangerous toys. Whose fault is that?
For full transcript: 'I'm going to be sick' |
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Nowhere Man

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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: ... |
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no surprise to see both numbskulls with southern accents. |
You have the actual footage?
Please link. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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Nowhere Man wrote: |
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no surprise to see both numbskulls with southern accents. |
You have the actual footage?
Please link. |
www.liveleak.com
Always lots of insurgent video gets posted up there. It's horrifying. GI popping himself out of the sun roof of his humvee and he's hit square by an RPG... his body parts go flying. GIs are sitting ducks in Iraq and Bush just keeps sending in more fodder with no plan. If that kind of video was shown every night on ABC news, people would impeach Bush. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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It's war for Xsakes... sh*t happens. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Paddycakes wrote: |
It's war for Xsakes... sh*t happens. |
Indeed. Weren't there more friendly fire deaths in Gulf War I than actual deaths due to enemy action? In any regard, it doesn't hurt to figure out the cause of such deaths and see what can be avoided. Hence why jets have FoF systems. (Interestingly, the FoF ... Friend or Foe... system that kept the Israelis out of Gulf War I. After the scud attacks they were going to launch attacks. But the US refused to give the Israelis the FoF codes.) |
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igotthisguitar

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