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Japanese PM - Comfort Women were not Forced into Brothels
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason why it was not brought up was simple but yet complex.

Back in the 60's and 70's- Korea was ruled by a military junta, lead by General Park (who, himself was a police officer/ teacher during the Japanese colonial period) and Japan was ran by some of the same people who were in power during the time of Japan's great imperial rise and during the Tojo years (Chinese invasion period leading up to WWII), who were ultra-conservative and ultra-nationalist.

Now, during this time, some of the same people in government at the time or in the military at that particular time, got their foot in the door during the colonial period (the same way George Washington was a colonel in the colonial militia during the Franco-Indian wars), so they still had a connection to the government in Japan (or some would suggest).

Now, couple this with the fact it was only 10 or so years after the destruction of the Korean War (1950-53), so where was Korea going to get the capital needed to rebuild?

Simple; The US and its block of allies in the pacific (Japan and Taiwan).
During the Korean War, as Korea was being ravaged, Japan and Taiwan (to a modest extent) were on course with the US-sponsored reconstruction plans for those nations (modelled after the Marshal Plan being implemented in Europe). They became the "economic tigers" of Asia as Korea started picking up the pieces.

Then, the sudden toppling of the democratically elected-turned-dictatorship under Rhee Syngman, sent the US scurrying back to prop up a government that would help it fight against the growing communist influence penetrating into South Korean society (or so the US government thought). They saw their chance in a promising young General named Park Chung Hee.

Now back on the issue of reconstruction, Korea badly needed the capital to rebuild and the US and its allies were willing contributors for that effort.
So when General Park reached out to Japan for help, he was only looking at the future, thinking what was done was done and the only way to look now is forward and the only way Korea can excel would be to put its horrible past behind the nation and move on.

True, there were elements in his government that wanted to deal with the issues of past atrocities, but being a dictator, his word was the end of discussion. And with the amount Japan was pledging for reconstruction, Korea at the time was in no position to argue against it.

Now, forty years forward, as the government becomes more left-leaning and trying to push a more self-reliant attitude, the government now is trying to push a process to right the wrongs done to it almost a century before, hoping that with this process, true national reconciliation can prevail.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Park, also known as Masao Takaki, was also a volunteer in the Japanese air force.
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Doogie



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
Question is, which is worse?

a) 1945: Japanese army forces a few women into sexual slavery.

b) 2007:Korean patriarchal society forces 25% of their own women to work as prostitutes in barber shops and saunas and denies them proper jobs.

I agree with RT in that 200,000 is hardly "a few". Also, a large number of them were young, teenage girls who were kidnapped away from their homes and families. I know that innocents get hurt and killed in war but this had nothing to do with the process of war. To be honest, I don't know enough about economic opportunities for women in Korea to even comment on "B". I think this is a strange comparison, though.
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Merlyn



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know enough about economic opportunities for women in Korea to even comment on "B". I think this is a strange comparison, though.


In most Korean movies I've seen the girls in the sex industry in Korea seemed forced. Movies like Bad Guy come to mind. Even though they're movies, there's probably a lot of truth to them. I agree with the comparison of "B". To me it sounds like hypocrisy by the Koreans. It is wrong that the Japanese forced Koreans to be sex slaves, but it is okay that we force our own. The force may be different, like was mentioned earlier. The Japanese forced the Korean women at gun point. In Korea, maybe it is the economic situation that forces them. The fact that the government does little about it, as well as the police, and lets these redlight districts continue on shows where they stand on the issue morally. All I want to hear from the Korean stand point when they talk to Japan about the issue is. "You should apologize for forcing our women to be sex slaves. This is our country and we are only allowed to do that."
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jinju



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Park, also known as Masao Takaki, was also a volunteer in the Japanese air force.


Holy cow did your father in law brain wash you.
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JeJuJitsu



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:


True, there were elements in his government that wanted to deal with the issues of past atrocities, but being a dictator, his word was the end of discussion. And with the amount Japan was pledging for reconstruction, Korea at the time was in no position to argue against it.

Now, forty years forward, as the government becomes more left-leaning and trying to push a more self-reliant attitude, the government now is trying to push a process to right the wrongs done to it almost a century before, hoping that with this process, true national reconciliation can prevail.


The South yet again Proves Itself every bit as Adept as its northern Komads in the art of Contract BReaking.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bum:

About the Ronald McDonald drive-by shooting: hilarious. We should hold him hostage, though, and demand replacing Mickey D's with Burger Kings now. And I'm so desperate for Tex-Mex that even Taco Hell is starting to seem appealing.

mindmetoo, jinju:

You've both articulated some very good points. Enough of the euphemism too already although it might have a historical origin of understandable dimensions.

The Japs are just waiting for these women to die off? Perhaps it is a delay tactic to avoid compensation. But then they've managed to do that for decades, so why upset the hornet's nest now? No, I think this is a calculated move by the ultranationalists in Japan to posture and preen. And it has as much to do with some bullshi-t bushido code as greed.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Park, also known as Masao Takaki, was also a volunteer in the Japanese air force.


Holy cow did your father in law brain wash you.


No, he's right. On top of that, he supposedly led a communist student's protest when he was at the military academy. Some of his critics say that he basically stole most of his ideas from the Russians and the Japanese.
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hairy sue



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513, that's a pretty good summary
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast majority of Korean prostitutes in Korea are not forced in any way to do what they do, quit with the moral outrage. It's hard for you to swallow that they do what they do out of choice in order to make more money than they could through more seemly employment, much easier to suggest they were forced and it's all the fault of the evil male. Sorry, doesn't wash.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merlyn wrote:
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I don't know enough about economic opportunities for women in Korea to even comment on "B". I think this is a strange comparison, though.


In most Korean movies I've seen the girls in the sex industry in Korea seemed forced. Movies like Bad Guy come to mind. Even though they're movies, there's probably a lot of truth to them. I agree with the comparison of "B". To me it sounds like hypocrisy by the Koreans. ."



To me it sounds like you watch too many Korean movies. Most movies are escapism and have very little to do with real life. Do you think that robots like the Terminator exist? Do you think that Godzilla-like creatures lurk deep beneath the ocean?
Now I realize that whiners hate Korea (almost every second post by you is an attack on Korea) but this takes it to a new extreme.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hollywoodaction wrote:
jinju wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Park, also known as Masao Takaki, was also a volunteer in the Japanese air force.


Holy cow did your father in law brain wash you.


No, he's right. On top of that, he supposedly led a communist student's protest when he was at the military academy. Some of his critics say that he basically stole most of his ideas from the Russians and the Japanese.


Not led. His older brother led him into it.
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Merlyn



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me it sounds like you watch too many Korean movies. Most movies are escapism and have very little to do with real life. Do you think that robots like the Terminator exist? Do you think that Godzilla-like creatures lurk deep beneath the ocean?
Now I realize that whiners hate Korea (almost every second post by you is an attack on Korea) but this takes it to a new extreme.


Those are science fiction movies silly. An attack on Korea, for pointing out that adjjoshis have poorer washroom manners compared to other men in the world that I've seen, or that a Korean guy would create a giant spit pool on the floor of a restaurant. Or that foreigners are always the last to be sat next to on a subway bench. That's how it is. Sorry you haven't witnessed any of these things before. Good for you. But I love Korea.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Hollywoodaction wrote:
jinju wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Park, also known as Masao Takaki, was also a volunteer in the Japanese air force.


Holy cow did your father in law brain wash you.


No, he's right. On top of that, he supposedly led a communist student's protest when he was at the military academy. Some of his critics say that he basically stole most of his ideas from the Russians and the Japanese.


Not led. His older brother led him into it.


does

it

matter

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?

If it as not for Park this country would most likely remain a poor backwater. He took the bull by the horns and pretty much created the modern South Korea. To me he is someone to be respected. So some leftists got trampled on, more reasons to like him.
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luvnpeas



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
The vast majority of Korean prostitutes in Korea are not forced in any way to do what they do, quit with the moral outrage. It's hard for you to swallow that they do what they do out of choice in order to make more money than they could through more seemly employment, much easier to suggest they were forced and it's all the fault of the evil male. Sorry, doesn't wash.


Certainly we should all believe this because you say so.

You really know how to make a contribution.
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